Help With Power Wagon, What Is A Power Wagon?

[olyelr]

Great, now your thinking...now use that same skill and see why power doesn't have anything to do with ground clearance

Wtf are u talking about? Power has nothing to do with ground clearance?! No ****. Did somebody say it did?!

 

[Docwagon1776]

A power wagon wasnt built for towing and hauling heavy loads. It was built for offroading.

The original, when it was first named, was for both. As well as running equipment off a PTO.

Seems like folks are forgetting the Power Wagon name has been around for about 80 years now.

It was named for the 1940s trucks, not the more recent models that continue to wear the moniker.

 

[olyelr]

The original, when it was first named, was for both. As well as running equipment off a PTO.

Seems like folks are forgetting the Power Wagon name has been around for about 80 years now.

It was named for the 1940s trucks, not the more recent models that continue to wear the moniker.

I havnt forgot about them.

But here, we are talking about the “moniker” trucks, not the 1940’s power wagons.

 

[bcbouy]

In 2023 they introduced a Power Wagon Rebel 2500. You give up some of the off road capability in favor of towing capabilites. I have a 2024 that has a 2964 lb payload capacity, Rear Diff locker and winch. No sway bar disconnect though, and much stiffer Bilstien suspension. My window sticker lists it as Power Wagon but there is nothing on the truck stating power wagon just Rebel.

i saw this exact truck on my local dealers lot and had no idea wtf i was looking at.someone on here said it wasn't a power wagon.

 

[diymirage]

A power wagon wasnt built for towing and hauling heavy loads. It was built for offroading.

In which…it is much more “powerful” than a non-power wagon, for what it was built for.

Wtf are u talking about? Power has nothing to do with ground clearance?! No ****. Did somebody say it did?!

Right there, you really don't see how ridiculous it is to say a vehicle with less payload is more powerful?

 

[Docwagon1776]

I havnt forgot about them.

But here, we are talking about the “moniker” trucks, not the 1940’s power wagons.

Then I don't understand why you're trying to shoehorn some new meaning for "power" to make it make sense. That's where the name came from, not some "power" of the modern trucks. Trademarks (and words in general) often outlive their original meaning. Hemi being another Chrysler/Dodge specific example. No need to try and redefine what a hemisphere is any more than try to redefine the word power or wagon. Just understand the historical significance of the name and the heritage the modern product is calling back to for marketing and brand awareness purposes.

 

[olyelr]

Then I don't understand why you're trying to shoehorn some new meaning for "power" to make it make sense. That's where the name came from, not some "power" of the modern trucks. Trademarks (and words in general) often outlive their original meaning. Hemi being another Chrysler/Dodge specific example. No need to try and redefine what a hemisphere is any more than try to redefine the word power or wagon. Just understand the historical significance of the name and the heritage the modern product is calling back to for marketing and brand awareness purposes.

Im trying to shoehorn a new meaning? I simply was telling him the main differences that make a current power wagon a power wagon, compared to a normal hd ram.

 

[RamDiver]

Im trying to shoehorn a new meaning? I simply was telling him the main differences that make a current power wagon a power wagon, compared to a normal hd ram.

Why would you be wasting your time with that member?

My time is too important to me. I blocked him ages ago, and anyone else who wastes my time.

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[Docwagon1776]

Im trying to shoehorn a new meaning?

In which…it is much more “powerful” than a non-power wagon, for what it was built for.

Nobody would say a Rubicon is more "powerful" than a Sahara offroad. They would say it's more capable. So, yes.

I've already addressed the rest of it explaining the history to DIYMirage when he was talking about it being a misnomer. The "Power" is an anachronism as much as the "Wagon" is. We don't call them wagons any longer, aside from station wagons, either. No need to try and make the "Power" make sense in the modern context, either.

It's just a cool trademark tying it to it's history...maybe the "power" of marketing is the real power of a Power Wagon today?

 

[olyelr]

Nobody would say a Rubicon is more "powerful" than a Sahara offroad. They would say it's more capable. So, yes.

I've already addressed the rest of it explaining the history to DIYMirage when he was talking about it being a misnomer. The "Power" is an anachronism as much as the "Wagon" is. We don't call them wagons any longer, aside from station wagons, either. No need to try and make the "Power" make sense in the modern context, either.

It's just a cool trademark tying it to it's history...maybe the "power" of marketing is the real power of a Power Wagon today?

Dooood i just used “powerful” because the guy i was quoting wrote it. I essentially used it to say exactly what you did (more capable), i just quoted powerful because he did. He said it was less powerful because it has lower payload and such, i said it was more powerful for what it was intended for…offroading, not towing/hauling.

My gosh this is a waste of my time

 

[62Blazer]

In 2023 they introduced a Power Wagon Rebel 2500. You give up some of the off road capability in favor of towing capabilites. I have a 2024 that has a 2964 lb payload capacity, Rear Diff locker and winch. No sway bar disconnect though, and much stiffer Bilstien suspension. My window sticker lists it as Power Wagon but there is nothing on the truck stating power wagon just Rebel.

That "Power Wagon Rebel" they printed on the window stickers makes it very confusing. If you look at the Ram.com website the Power Wagon and the Rebel are two completely separate trim packages. You can't get all the same options between them....meaning there are options available on the Rebel that you can't get on the Power Wagon, and vice versa. You can't get a "Power Wagon" package on a "Rebel", or "Rebel" package on a "Power Wagon".
Rebel has no front axle locker or swaybar disconnect. You can option in a winch but only with the 6.4 Hemi, it will not let you do a build with the winch and the Cummins. For the Power Wagon, there is no Cummins option, but the front locker and swaybar disconnect are standard. There are some other differences also, like the suspension

 

[Airmousam]

Fun thread, glad I caught it. To the OP..Need to test drive a PW. I drove the big 3 HD's incl the Tradesman b4 I bought...Saw a new 21 PW in the lot right after the trademan test...It was over...ride was a huge diff from the Tradesman..I don't tow over 10k. Close tho and its tows great..Also don't use it to its capability, but its awesome.

 

[4xdad]

Just wow having read all the replies just wow. When I bought my Pw brand new off the lot. I knew what I wanted before I even went to the dealer. The sales person didn’t know what a locker was. I explained what it was and what it’s for. Bottom line do your own research to get what you want. I had a whole list of upgrades that I wanted for my truck but the bottom fell out of the Alberta economy (thanks Justin you dipsh—).

 

[jkjet]

That "Power Wagon Rebel" they printed on the window stickers makes it very confusing. If you look at the Ram.com website the Power Wagon and the Rebel are two completely separate trim packages. You can't get all the same options between them....meaning there are options available on the Rebel that you can't get on the Power Wagon, and vice versa. You can't get a "Power Wagon" package on a "Rebel", or "Rebel" package on a "Power Wagon".
Rebel has no front axle locker or swaybar disconnect. You can option in a winch but only with the 6.4 Hemi, it will not let you do a build with the winch and the Cummins. For the Power Wagon, there is no Cummins option, but the front locker and swaybar disconnect are standard. There are some other differences also, like the suspension

I think they were going with the basic vehicle styling as being a "Power Wagon". It is definitely a hybrid between off road and towing. The Vehicle touch screen has pages for off road and pages for towing.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I think they were going with the basic vehicle styling as being a "Power Wagon". It is definitely a hybrid between off road and towing. The Vehicle touch screen has pages for off road and pages for towing.

Still needlessly confusing and muddies the branding. Ford doesn't have a "FX4 Tremor" model and Chevy doesn't have a "Trail Boss ZR2". They have an obvious progression with distinct trim levels. Ram should have stuck to the same like they did with the half tons.

Stellantis can't market for ****. Their latest Ram commercial's tag line is someone screaming something like "there's one thing we can't stop doing as Americans and that's being Americans". WTF?

I guarantee you more people remember the "that thing got a hemi in it?" ads from a decade ago vs the current ad 6 months from now. Aside from Budweiser, I can't think of a company that's marketing has taken a bigger fall. Bud is now remembered for the wrong reasons, Ram et al is just forgotten.

 

[4xdad]

The power wagon badge goes all the way back to ww2 I would say that is pretty good marketing to keep the brand alive true dodge fans recognize the brand. I was a Chevy fan until they went to ifs suspension. But I still recognize the brand from my younger days the tv show. Simon and simon had a cool pw on it

 

[Docwagon1776]

The power wagon badge goes all the way back to ww2 I would say that is pretty good marketing to keep the brand alive true dodge fans recognize the brand. I was a Chevy fan until they went to ifs suspension. But I still recognize the brand from my younger days the tv show. Simon and simon had a cool pw on it

That's the point. Power Wagon is a model with heritage. Until you muddy it up. The Rebel should have stayed it's own thing like it is in the half tons. And, of course, actually market it. Remind people it exists and inform new customers of it's capabilities. None of which Stellantis has ever done.

Is this a Mustang? Does it help or hinder the Mustang name as a heritage brand? At least it got advertised.


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[4xdad]

Ugly as sin imho. If someone gave me one I would give it away

 

[Michael Magness]

When I was in high-school 62-66 one of my girlfriends dad had one of the OLD Power Wagons. I don't know if it was one of the original military ones or the ones Dodge built post WWII. I was into cars back then and never asked him about it. He was a mechanic at a trucking company and drove it daily to work and back. It was the old body style with the wide flat fenders and the flat top of the cab and the straight up windshield. It was painted White with Red accents.

 

[stembridge]

When I was in high-school 62-66 one of my girlfriends dad had one of the OLD Power Wagons. I don't know if it was one of the original military ones or the ones Dodge built post WWII. I was into cars back then and never asked him about it. He was a mechanic at a trucking company and drove it daily to work and back. It was the old body style with the wide flat fenders and the flat top of the cab and the straight up windshield. It was painted White with Red accents.

They need to bring back the Power Wagon Town Wagon!