Is the H.O. with the Aisin worth the upcharge?

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Has anyone driven both a 22' and 23' 3500 with the Aisin? If so, notice any tuning differences/smoother shifts? I went to a dealer last week and they had two H.O.'s, but would not let me drive them due to a recall, though I thought it was only on the 68rfe equipped trucks.

My 22' that I had, had the 68rfe and I had issues with it. I tow commercially 3-4 times per week, but rarely exceeding 10k lbs. I've always had the 68rfe, but was thinking about changing it up this time. Just wondering if its worth the extra cost and extra maintenance cost to own the H.O.?

I'm looking at it more from a reliability and performance perspective. When I've ran values on KBB with the same truck and mileage, just switching transmissions, the aisin equipped trucks don't appear to be worth anymore than the 68rfe trucks.
 

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i have 30k on my 22' 68rfe. i havent had any mechanical issues just a filter that shot off into the pan(not the trucks fault) There are a lot of reports of the Asin having issues in the 23' trucks as there is a c-clip breaking. I know a lot of people with 68rfes and as long as you keep it stock it has been a very good transmission. If you were towing more weight like 17-18k i would look at the HO but you will lose MPG with the HO. Until Ram come out with a completely different transmission i wont buy another truck.
 

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I don't have much experience with Aisin, but I've had 2 68RFEs and both were used mostly for towing. The 2500 (put 50k miles on it - had 95k when I sold it) towed a 12.5k trailer and the 3500 (put 130k miles on it) towed a 15.5k trailer thousands of miles and neither ever skipped a beat.

As Dinky said.... keep the HP turned down on the Cummins and it will last. I had both of mine deleted, but ran the stock HP tune. If you turn them up, the 68RFE can't handle it without some upgrades.
 

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Aside from the current issue with the K1 clutch drum snap-ring failure causing transmission failure, the Aisin is a FAR superior transmission to the 68RFE from a longevity standpoint. BUT it is anything but smooth. Mine had the 2-1 slam shift, and the occasional 1-2 false neutral slam shift, under certain circumstances. With the toy hauler hooked up it also had a pretty severe shudder on the 2-3 upshift. Still, even with all that, if I bought another Ram HD it would have the Aisin. They really do need to move on from both current transmissions, though.

My truck burned down/totalled in October. Currently have a brand X on order. First non-Mopar in 20 years.
 
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Aside from the current issue with the K1 clutch drum snap-ring failure causing transmission failure, the Aisin is a FAR superior transmission to the 68RFE from a longevity standpoint. BUT it is anything but smooth. Mine had the 2-1 slam shift, and the occasional 1-2 false neutral slam shift, under certain circumstances. With the toy hauler hooked up it also had a pretty severe shudder on the 2-3 upshift. Still, even with all that, if I bought another Ram HD it would have the Aisin. They really do need to move on from both current transmissions, though.

My truck burned down/totalled in October. Currently have a brand X on order. First non-Mopar in 20 years.
I had ordred brand X in October, which now got converted to a 2024 model. I'm not sure I'll like it though after watching some of the videos on the 13" screen and digital cluster. I had to borrow a 21' in brand X and it was the highest trim level and I found the seats to be rock hard. But we'll see.
 
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Sorry to hear about your Ram burning up.
 
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Aside from the current issue with the K1 clutch drum snap-ring failure causing transmission failure, the Aisin is a FAR superior transmission to the 68RFE from a longevity standpoint. BUT it is anything but smooth. Mine had the 2-1 slam shift, and the occasional 1-2 false neutral slam shift, under certain circumstances. With the toy hauler hooked up it also had a pretty severe shudder on the 2-3 upshift. Still, even with all that, if I bought another Ram HD it would have the Aisin. They really do need to move on from both current transmissions, though.

My truck burned down/totalled in October. Currently have a brand X on order. First non-Mopar in 20 years.
Sorry to hear about it burning up.
 

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Just make sure the Aisin wasn’t built during the 2022 year. Almost the entire year of production seems to be included In the recall/TSB.
 
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I wouldn't bother owning a diesel if I towed 10k or less. You gain nothing other than higher maintenance and repair bills.
I get where you're coming from, but I think they're fun to drive and tow with. If I can afford it, I'll try to get one.
 

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Has anyone driven both a 22' and 23' 3500 with the Aisin?
Can't speak for the '22 but pulled a 28' enclosed trailer(9500 lbs) about 1000 miles with my buddies '23 3500 CTD HO SRW, the transmission was smooth shifting even when the exhaust brake would engage. Only thing rough was the ride when the truck was unloaded.
 

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RamGuy110, I agree about the driving one. I had a 2018 Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Did I need it. Absolutely not, but I loved owning and driving it. I rarely keep my gas powered trucks more than 40,000 miles, but my 2500 I had almost 3 years and had 120,000 when I traded it in.
I went back to a fully loaded 2022 1500 5.7 eTorque. But I do miss that 2500 torque and also having an exhaust brake.
By all means, go for it!!
 

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RamGuy110, I agree about the driving one. I had a 2018 Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Did I need it. Absolutely not, but I loved owning and driving it. I rarely keep my gas powered trucks more than 40,000 miles, but my 2500 I had almost 3 years and had 120,000 when I traded it in.
I went back to a fully loaded 2022 1500 5.7 eTorque. But I do miss that 2500 torque and also having an exhaust brake.
By all means, go for it!!
The 4th gen's were a HELL of a lot more reliable. And I'd have no problem recommending one. 4.5 gen's...ehh....they're hit or miss, and the 2022's were definitely MISS. 2021's are about 50% miss, 2020's maybe 40% miss. Words still out on the 2023's.

If I had to go buy a diesel today I'd be looking for a 2018 with low miles.

Still stand by my word. Towing 10k or less there's zero reason to own a diesel 3/4 or 1 ton. There's no benefit.
 

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I had it first in my '17 and got it again in my '20.
If you want HD get it.
 

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I wouldn't bother owning a diesel if I towed 10k or less. You gain nothing other than higher maintenance and repair bills.
I wouldn't own another gasser. Get way better mileage everyday of the week with the diesel. I don't know what kind of extra maintenance you are talking about. I change the oil and the fuel filters and air filters.
Gassers I had were 12+/- (mostly -) not towing and 8-9 towing. And if towing only somewhat heavy you have to put up with a screaming engine.
HO diesel, 17+/- not towing and 12+/- towing. And I don't have to turn the radio up to 20 to hear it if I am towing.
 

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The 4th gen's were a HELL of a lot more reliable. And I'd have no problem recommending one. 4.5 gen's...ehh....they're hit or miss, and the 2022's were definitely MISS. 2021's are about 50% miss, 2020's maybe 40% miss. Words still out on the 2023's.

If I had to go buy a diesel today I'd be looking for a 2018 with low miles.

Still stand by my word. Towing 10k or less there's zero reason to own a diesel 3/4 or 1 ton. There's no benefit.
I disagree with your Aisin "miss" rates, where did you get them? Yes, the 2022s have problems with the K1 clutch drum snap-ring failure, otherwise, the Aisin definitely has been reliable and trouble-free.
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Towing 10K with a 1/2 ton exceeds its factory limits and is dangerous. Bad advice!

To the OP's original post.
The trucks you could not drive are waiting for the snap-ring recall.

You wonder if it's worth the extra cost and extra maintenance cost to own the H.O.?
IMO it's definitely worth the cost. The only extra maintenance cost is to r/r the fluid every 30,000 miles
The Aisin remains the strongest pickup truck tranny on the market. And it is definitely reliable and trouble-free.

I have a 2020 3500 HO Aisin and love it. I don't tow heavy enough to warrant the Aisin, but I wanted it and am so glad I have it.
 
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Mine had the 2-1 slam shift, and the occasional 1-2 false neutral slam shift, under certain circumstances.
Me, too. HO Cummins gets worse fuel mileage around town...At least having owned both, that's my experience with them. Accelerate normally from a stop, shifting to second then barke to turn...Dead pedal, real bad. Otherwise, it's clunky, noisy, shudders at times...But doesn't die.
 

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I wouldn't bother owning a diesel if I towed 10k or less. You gain nothing other than higher maintenance and repair bills.
Because all the injector noise in the world won't drown out the noise that 6.4 makes when your lifters puke....To quote the old commercials from 2003, "It must be a Hemi!" :favorites37:
 

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Just make sure the Aisin wasn’t built during the 2022 year. Almost the entire year of production seems to be included In the recall/TSB.
That's something to look for. I have a 2022 with the HO and Aisin and haven't received a recall for the transmission. The preheat relay and a capacitor in the computer.
Asfar as power there is a difference between my old 810 Lb Ft engine with the 68RFE and this HO. I like the power and the transmission has had no issues and shifts smoothly. When it is cold -10 to 15 degrees F it does shift a little noticeably until it warms up. I'm going to search my VIN to see what recalls are on it I may not have seen.
 
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