JBA Long tubes?

[KLRpanda]

anyone heard anything? I've heard they were going to be coming out with some but nothing as of yet? any info?

 

[09SMOKINHEMI]

I heard the same thing, although the prices they're giving are pretty deceiving

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[Hemi450hp]

They are saying 30-45 days and will run around $1k with y-pipe. We wont know exact pricing until they are released though.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Interesting. I like JBA...and I've been thinking about throwing long tubes on with the blower.
Someone will get a good deal on a set of JBA shorties and custom mid pipe if they drop these soon.

 

[KLRpanda]

**** spending a grand... i'll buy a set of pace setters for a 3rd gen and have the flanges cut off and a 4th gen flange made. i priced this a few months ago and got a price that is almost half of what they are asking. that freaking highway robbery.

 

[redsand]

Interesting. I like JBA...and I've been thinking about throwing long tubes on with the blower.
Someone will get a good deal on a set of JBA shorties and custom mid pipe if they drop these soon.

Hopefully that coincides at the same time I'm ready to pick up some.

 

[TheBlackHemi]

I rather keep my shorties, put that grand towards a two stage nitrous set-up, and then really have fun at the track. Unbroken is going all out with heads/a cam/FI so the longtubes will benefit him in the end. Me on the other hand I think I'm almost done on the performance side....I kinda wanna keep this truck on the road and not in the shop.

 

[TheBlackHemi]

The Jba ceramic coated shorties cost me $725 installed and with a top of the line 258mm Circle D ProII torque converter ($1075 installed) it only set me back a grand total of $1800. You can't even get the ARH longtubes out the door/installed for that price, more like $1900 (that's not even ceramic coated). So I think when I made my performance choices at the time I did all the research and the best bang for the buck mods were the JBA shorties and torque converter. Hell if I would have bought the 11" TC I would have had money left over to buy Moe's 87mm TB and it still would have been cheaper than the ARH LT headers installed....Just saying my track slips don't lie, you don't see a 4gen bolt on Crew Cab in the 13's besides me.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Coated, I can do that with a can It is Texas so it isn't REALLY needed.

You do understand that the ceramic coating has nothing to do with corrosion resistance, right?

 

[TheBlackHemi]

I call BS on $125 on the install price....there gonna have to fab some stuff up because it's not gonna fit the way you think. I'm pretty sure no one in there right mind would take a job for that price. Matt was telling me it's because you have true duels is why you can get away not buying the mid pipe so you have to take the expense of that in account. I'd hate for some one just buy the ARH headers for a grand and gonna spend more money for fabbed up mid pipe because of reading that post.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Ceramic coating does actually play a roll in keeping your exhaust from corroding... . It also helps keep underhood temps down..

High Temp Ceramic Coating

It's purpose in this application isn't corrosion resistance, it's main objective is to keep heat inside the exhaust. Ceramic coatings don't transfer heat well at all...more heat means faster moving exhaust gasses which means more power. Lower underhood temps are a secondary function.
Ceramic coatings won't prevent rust, they'll slow it down but rust can still form through the coating. I can show you a high dollar manifold with PolyDyn's best ceramic on it covered in rust if you need proof.
I don't need to read your googled link....I've used ceramics for likely longer than you've known what a motor is. I know what their function is.

 

[ramhunter9]

Lets not kill a thread .. we can state opinions in a calm professional way. Lets do that and we wont have a issue.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Okay, but you don't have to try and punk me and say the completely wrong statement of "Ceramic coating has nothing to do with corrosion" which yes it does. It helps prevent it. For an every day street struck, and something that isn't a full blown track vehicle gutted in and out. Ceramic coating isn't really needed. The performance gains are trivial IMO. Just because you have been around longer doesn't mean others aren't trying to learn and have knowledge as well.

OK...how will cermaics prevent corrosion on stainless manifolds?
Well....they really won't since a high quality stainless won't corrode but we coat them anyway.
I already stated and I can prove to you the next time I see you that ceramic coatings will not in any way shape form or fashion prevent rust. They will slow it down, yes but no mfg is gonna tout it as a selling point because they'df have to replace all the rusty coated parts people wind up with in a few years.
I've been dealing with PolyDyn in Houston for about a decade....give them a call if you need verification from the experts and one of the best in the business on my statements.
My statement is not wrong....that much I can assure you.

As to your claim that the gains are trivial, I say you have a lot to learn my friend.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Honestly when I think of Ceramic coatings I think of corrosion. I then think of heat. Like I said, unless you're running an all out track trailer queen... I wouldn't (PERSONALLY) get coated. The gains have not been really proven to me to be that high. I'm not at the point of trying to squeeze every possible ounce of hp from each of my mods. We are all learning here.

Flip your thinking, then put exhaust gas expansion, flow, cylinder scavenging and heat transfer above corrosion.

It's been dyno proven time and again that ceramic coated exhaust is good for 3-4% increase in power across the board.
Let's round our BHP up to 400 HP. That's a 12-16HP increase with coatings alone.
Considering that you, me and most everyone else will spend 3-400 bucks on an air intake to gain 6-8HP is it still a trivial number?

 

[UNBROKEN]

If you really wanna get into the benefits of retaining heat in an exhaust system look at how a turbo spools. If you look at it as an application of this theory it's not off topic at all.
Exhaust flow isn't all there is to it like most people think....it has more to do with hot exhaust gasses expanding rapidly and vacuum. Yes, vacuum.
It's pretty interesting stuff that'll teach you a lot if you have the time to read up on it.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Type "does ceramic coating increase HP" into your favorite search engine. You'll be bombarded with proof.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Picked up about 30 HP on my last truck going from bare turbos and manifold to a PolyDyn coated manifold and TPP ceramic fiber blankets on the exhaust housings of both chargers.
Spool time also decreased by several hundred RPM which is big on a diesel when there's not that many RPM to be had. Chargers would light at about 2100 before....17-1800 after.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Let's say it is only 10 HP and it costs you 150 bucks....sound fair?

How much did you spend on your CAI for less than 10 HP?

It's the same thing no matter where you apply it. These are all pieces of a larger puzzle.
I run Mobil1...that's widely regarded to free up a few HP. So is an electric fan, etc. Each one is a small amount but once the puzzle is complete they all compliment each other and you get a bigger payoff.

 

[UNBROKEN]

Prep work needed would depend on the condition of the part to begin with and also what it's made of. 150 bucks was just a random number...obviously it would vary by part.

The math works out no matter how you slice it.
Even 200 bucks for a 10 HP gain is 20 bucks per HP.
A 400 dollar CAI that nets you 10 HP is 40 bucks per HP.

 

[09SMOKINHEMI]

UNBROKEN.... so what you're saying is that ceramic coating is beneficial for increase in HP, not so much for rust prevention, but does help increase performance? can this be a DIY project, or would you recommend taking it somewhere to be coated?