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I know most here like hid's especially for the projectors. A local shop sells both and has recommended led's for my projectors. Said they last longer, run cooler, draw less power and said these work well in the projectors because they have a light diode in the tip of the bulb and not just on the sides. The brand is Race Sport which he admits are middle of the road quality wise. Please give your honest opinions. I want highs and lows, not worried about fogs. Thanks
 

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dont believe him on them working, just get HIDs for OEM projectors and be done with it
 

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I don't know Dan, these Leds I've seen are a little better/easier to work with.

I've never liked HIDs in non projectors, in projectors they are perfect, but a buddy got some LEDs and much more steady less flickering light.

*By flicker, the natural flicker that is. Not cheap HID flicker.
 

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I agree LEDs are getting better but I haven't seen any do good in a projector housing
 
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Anyone know why when I click on the Retro Shop link on the right of the page it says website is not available? I would like to see what they have to say.
 

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Your shop is correct about LED last longer and run cooler, less power draw, however, I have to disagree with LED works well with projector housing. Think about it, the OEM projector housing was designed to reflect the OEM holegen bulb, which emit light as a small cylinder, LED light emit light as two or more point source.
Many people compared HID to LED and the conclusion is that LED might be as bright as HID or even brighter, the light pattern of LED is not near as good as HID, which emit light in same/very similar pattern as helogen bulb.
I went with HID because of better light pattern. Also, LED does not run as hot as HID, here in Canada, I need the extra heat in my headlight housing to melt snow ice off headlight housing.
Overall, it is a personal preference. I am sure someday, auto manufacture will make the housing for projecting LED bulb.... By then I will stay with HID on my low bean, what is the point of being super bright, but cannot see far?
 

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HID is still better thus far. LEDs have alittle more to go as far as evolving before they can even the playing field.

I will say that LED projectors are now available but they aren't the same as an HID projector. hID projectors use a bowl to reflect light, the bowl full surrounds the HID arc. LED projectors like found on the new Toyota Corolla, and ACuras use a half moon style projector, a single high powered chip sits on a giant heat sink and all the light is thrown upward 180* and the light is reflected in the top half of a bowl and then forward through a lense. LEDs aren't as bright as HIDs yet and that's why multiple LED projectors are used to compensate like in the ACURA jewel headlights. The corollas use a single LED and are very bright but don't quite equal an HIDs.

For those of you that think LEDs create less heat you are correct but only on small scale really. The power required to creat the lumens necessary to be a headlight creates ALOT of heat. This is why the LEDs are mounted to very large heat sinks. For whatever it's worth HIDs don't create that much heat where they would require a heat sink, LEDs do otherwise there efficiency/brightness would go down the drain.

The way it has to be is... LEDs require LED specific optics, HIDs use there own specific optics but can also work decent in halogen projector based optics as the HID arc will usually be in the same position/placement as the halogen filament. So in short, halogen reflector housing u should only run a halogen bulb, halogen projector u can use halogen or HID but HID will perform better in a HID projector, HID projector use a HID bulb. Leave the LED drop in bulbs for fog lights and other non essential lighting as they haven't earned there place to be used in headlights due to the optics. If you want to use LEDs in the headlights then figure it a way to retrofit LED projector optics. But given the current headlight designs it's not really feasible.
 

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HID is still better thus far. LEDs have alittle more to go as far as evolving before they can even the playing field.

I will say that LED projectors are now available but they aren't the same as an HID projector. hID projectors use a bowl to reflect light, the bowl full surrounds the HID arc. LED projectors like found on the new Toyota Corolla, and ACuras use a half moon style projector, a single high powered chip sits on a giant heat sink and all the light is thrown upward 180* and the light is reflected in the top half of a bowl and then forward through a lense. LEDs aren't as bright as HIDs yet and that's why multiple LED projectors are used to compensate like in the ACURA jewel headlights. The corollas use a single LED and are very bright but don't quite equal an HIDs.

For those of you that think LEDs create less heat you are correct but only on small scale really. The power required to creat the lumens necessary to be a headlight creates ALOT of heat. This is why the LEDs are mounted to very large heat sinks. For whatever it's worth HIDs don't create that much heat where they would require a heat sink, LEDs do otherwise there efficiency/brightness would go down the drain.

The way it has to be is... LEDs require LED specific optics, HIDs use there own specific optics but can also work decent in halogen projector based optics as the HID arc will usually be in the same position/placement as the halogen filament. So in short, halogen reflector housing u should only run a halogen bulb, halogen projector u can use halogen or HID but HID will perform better in a HID projector, HID projector use a HID bulb. Leave the LED drop in bulbs for fog lights and other non essential lighting as they haven't earned there place to be used in headlights due to the optics. If you want to use LEDs in the headlights then figure it a way to retrofit LED projector optics. But given the current headlight designs it's not really feasible.
Totally agree. About the heat, LED does produce more heat than HID, but the heat is directed to the back of housing through heat sink, not toward the lenses, which, as I mentioned above, helps melt snow/ice off the lenses.
 
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