MOD Planning Help- Cam Swap and Other

[DILLIGAF]

Jay Green is shipping me a Cam soon, Im in Wainwright we could split shipping if you want.

 

[BrBlack]

Jay Green is shipping me a Cam soon, Im in Wainwright we could split shipping if you want.

Nice. Normally I'd be all over this since shipping, duty and taxes really hurt us Canadian's. Unfortunately I'm not going the JG route only because I've already got tuning with HF.

 

[1SloRam]

Ah too bad about the A/F with the T1000. I'll need to find the Diablo forum thread that talked about it.
Did the 180 TStat and EFan swap years back. A really great mod to complement the others I have done. For the money I'm thinking about just putting a new one in.

If you find the thread link it to me, I have a t1000 as well and can’t find the gauge option for it.
Sounds good! I’m getting things together for a cam swap now, and boy it’s adding up!

 

[BrBlack]

This is what I found.
Please note that I need to do much more homework on this. Only stumbled onto it recently. I'm not very knowledgeable with these types of things so forgive me if I get some things mixed up.

Personally I think it would be great to get the AFR to display on the T1000 so HF can properly tune the truck once i get the CAM installed.

My understanding is if you run an LC1 Wideband Controller it is possible to wire it into the Trinity.
https://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php

In order to hook this to the trinity you'll need an Analog Input Cable. Diablo did sell his once but may no longer be available. Seems possible to get one from Digi-Key.
https://www.ramforum.com/threads/air-fuel-ratio-gauge-in-the-diablo-trinity.46339/

Cable
https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/tensility-international-corp/CA-2204/701165


More info on this can be found here.
https://forum.diablosport.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20314



This seems like a ton of effort just to data log AFR through the Trinity T1000.


Edit- Seems this feature could be setup with any AFR gauge.

 

[Wild one]

This is what I found.
Please note that I need to do much more homework on this. Only stumbled onto it recently. I'm not very knowledgeable with these types of things so forgive me if I get some things mixed up.

Personally I think it would be great to get the AFR to display on the T1000 so HF can properly tune the truck once i get the CAM installed.

My understanding is if you run an LC1 Wideband Controller it is possible to wire it into the Trinity.
https://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc1.php

In order to hook this to the trinity you'll need an Analog Input Cable. Diablo did sell his once but may no longer be available. Seems possible to get one from Digi-Key.
https://www.ramforum.com/threads/air-fuel-ratio-gauge-in-the-diablo-trinity.46339/

Cable
https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/tensility-international-corp/CA-2204/701165


More info on this can be found here.
https://forum.diablosport.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20314



This seems like a ton of effort just to data log AFR through the Trinity T1000.


Edit- Seems this feature could be setup with any AFR gauge.

Most guys just video tape the gauge with the old school T1000 Andrew.

 

[1SloRam]

Good info on A/F!

 

[BrBlack]

Most guys just video tape the gauge with the old school T1000 Andrew.

haha. After going down a YouTube hole on this subject I may just do that. Really don't want to screw around with wiring all that in.

 

[BrBlack]

Got an email out to Moe's to start gathering prices.


If money allows the 6.4 intake manifold is on the table. Wanted to save the thread showing how to get a catch can hooked up to it.
https://www.ramforum.com/threads/6-4-intake-manifold-swap.163727/

 

[BrBlack]

Alright. Small update. Its proving to be a lot more difficult to give people money for parts. I've called Moe's 3 times a day every day for 2 weeks and have yet to talk to anyone. My voicemail and all 3 of my emails have yet to get a response too.

Did email HemiFever on the side and the recommendation he gave me was to go with an OEM cam because I tow and typically performance cams loose torque under 3500/4000 rpm. How much torque could a performance cam really loose under that rpm compared to the OE one? And what's the fun in an OE cam??

Feeling a bit lost here... Considering the fact I want to pair a cam with the 6.4L Manifold would that not make up the torque difference? Does the 5.7 or 6.4 injectors make a difference?

As mentioned on the pervious page a custom grind from Texas Speed might be the way I need to go. Going to call them today and see what the deal is. Thankfully HF said he'd be able to help me with a tune for any cam. I really didn't want to make a swap to HP tuners and add cost to this whole thing.

In the end I may need to piece this all together from various suppliers rather than getting a package deal. My goal of having this all delivered and installed by the end of May could be tough.

More to come.

 

[Wild one]

Alright. Small update. Its proving to be a lot more difficult to give people money for parts. I've called Moe's 3 times a day every day for 2 weeks and have yet to talk to anyone. My voicemail and all 3 of my emails have yet to get a response too.

Did email HemiFever on the side and the recommendation he gave me was to go with an OEM cam because I tow and typically performance cams loose torque under 3500/4000 rpm. How much torque could a performance cam really loose under that rpm compared to the OE one? And what's the fun in an OE cam??

Feeling a bit lost here... Considering the fact I want to pair a cam with the 6.4L Manifold would that not make up the torque difference? Does the 5.7 or 6.4 injectors make a difference?

As mentioned on the pervious page a custom grind from Texas Speed might be the way I need to go. Going to call them today and see what the deal is. Thankfully HF said he'd be able to help me with a tune for any cam. I really didn't want to make a swap to HP tuners and add cost to this whole thing.

In the end I may need to piece this all together from various suppliers rather than getting a package deal. My goal of having this all delivered and installed by the end of May could be tough.

More to come.

Jay Greene's small .5 cam is generally considered to be a torque style cam Andrew,and Jay does sell it as a package deal if you want.It utilizes the stock cam phazor with no lock-out,so it keeps the majority of cam advance and retard that's available with the stock cam.If Dilligaff hasn't ordered his cam yet,you might be able to work a deal with him for 2 cam packages and save on the shipping

 

[BrBlack]

Jay Greene's small .5 cam is generally considered to be a torque style cam Andrew,and Jay does sell it as a package deal if you want.It utilizes the stock cam phazor with no lock-out,so it keeps the majority of cam advance and retard that's available with the stock cam.If Dilligaff hasn't ordered his cam yet,you might be able to work a deal with him for 2 cam packages and save on the shipping

Ah Rick, I should've listened and done this weeks ago. Live and learn I guess. Will email Jay today for a full 0.5 kit.
The OEM gaskets and other maintenance parts I'll get locally.


Also ordering the 6.4 manifold this week.
In your opinion is it worth going to the 6.4 injector and ported options? Not sure if this would be overkill for my application?

 

[BrBlack]

Jay Green is shipping me a Cam soon, Im in Wainwright we could split shipping if you want.

Has Jay gotten back to you on when your cam is shipping? Not sure if an order placed today will make it.

 

[Wild one]

Ah Rick, I should've listened and done this weeks ago. Live and learn I guess. Will email Jay today for a full 0.5 kit.
The OEM gaskets and other maintenance parts I'll get locally.


Also ordering the 6.4 manifold this week.
In your opinion is it worth going to the 6.4 injector and ported options? Not sure if this would be overkill for my application?

Supposedly the 6.4 injectors are the way to go,as they should run cooler and last longer then the 5.7 injectors,but you have to tune for them,but if you're putting a cam in you'll need a tune anyways. On the ported or non-ported intake,that's a tough call,hard to justify the amount of money you'll spend on the ported manifold by the time you get it into Canada,you could put a nitrous kit on for not a hell'va lot more money,lol. Hunt up Steven Cooper on High Performance Rams Andrew,he seems to have an in with John Smith at TSP and picked up a ported 6.4 intake for less then a 1,000 bucks Canuck.Stevens over in Saskatoon,you can tell him i pointed you to him,he knows me well,lol.

 

[BrBlack]

Supposedly the 6.4 injectors are the way to go,as they should run cooler and last longer then the 5.7 injectors,but you have to tune for them,but if you're putting a cam in you'll need a tune anyways. On the ported or non-ported intake,that's a tough call,hard to justify the amount of money you'll spend on the ported manifold by the time you get it into Canada,you could put a nitrous kit on for not a hell'va lot more money,lol. Hunt up Steven Cooper on High Performance Rams Andrew,he seems to have an in with John Smith at TSP and picked up a ported 6.4 intake for less then a 1,000 bucks Canuck.Stevens over in Saskatoon,you can tell him i pointed you to him,he knows me well,lol.

Will do. Thanks!! The exchange hurts so much these days that the porting will likely be something I skip.


Good news though, ordered the JG .5 HL v2 standard kit, with PAC 1211x springs and a full set of Hellcat lifters today. 4-7 weeks till she ships.


Now to gather the head bolts, gaskets, AFR gauge and maintenance items.
Thinking I may need to do push rods and rocker shaft tie bars just to be safe.- I'm not totally sure about this stuff.
Also need to line up install.

More to come.

 

[Wild one]

Will do. Thanks!! The exchange hurts so much these days that the porting will likely be something I skip.


Good news though, ordered the JG .5 HL v2 standard kit, with PAC 1211x springs and a full set of Hellcat lifters today. 4-7 weeks till she ships.


Now to gather the head bolts, gaskets, AFR gauge and maintenance items.
Thinking I may need to do push rods and rocker shaft tie bars just to be safe.- I'm not totally sure about this stuff.
Also need to line up install.

More to come.

I'm not sure what all Jay includes in his small cam kit,but if it doesn't include MDS block off plugs,odds are you'll want them to Andrew. Ma Mopar should have them in stock in the Red Deer warehouse,you can get them for a manual transmission Challenger or an early 2500 with the 5.7,both came non-mds equipped. You'll probably want a new crank and cam bolt to. If you do the tie bars stick with the pricey steel Mopar ones,as apparently the cheaper Stanke and Manton aluminium versions will create aluminium filings. That's just going by what a few guys are claiming,i have the pricey steel Mopar tie bars on my truck. But honestly with the little .5 cam,i'm not sure the tie bars are really needed,as you won't probably be spinning the motor much past 6200 with that cam,and it doesn't have enough lobe lift to run the springs into a coil bind situation. How far are you willing to drive it for a decent install,there's a couple guys i would reconmend in Edmonton,i'd reconmend Kurtis to,but i'm not sure you can get into his shop these days,as he bought himself a 53 Fargo,and between it in pieces and his 09 monster,there's not a hell'va lot of room in his 2 car shop these days.You can try Kurtis first though,as he's closer then Edmonton,lol

 

[1SloRam]

Curious as well as to what parts are included in Jay’s cam kit?
I know you still have to throw down $450 for tuning even if you buy his kit.

 

[crackerjack1957]

When I purchased a few years back you got the hardened push rods, upgraded valve springs & Hellcat lifters.
I think that was all......will look back at email.....just going off of memory

 

[crackerjack1957]

This was 06/2018 for the Stage 1.5 HL v2 ........I assume the Stage .5 HL v2 is the same
MDS delete is by tune......no MDS plugs necessary.

[QUOTE
The kit ranges from $1775 to $1925

The $1775 kit is cam, custom locators, shims, lightweight retainers, hardened pushrods, MDS delete, and .625 lift springs.

For $25 extra you can upgrade to RPM level springs.

For $125 extra you can upgrade to a full set of hellcat lifters.

This cam requires pulling the heads.][/QUOTE]

 

[1SloRam]

Alright. Small update. Its proving to be a lot more difficult to give people money for parts. I've called Moe's 3 times a day every day for 2 weeks and have yet to talk to anyone. My voicemail and all 3 of my emails have yet to get a response too.

Did email HemiFever on the side and the recommendation he gave me was to go with an OEM cam because I tow and typically performance cams loose torque under 3500/4000 rpm. How much torque could a performance cam really loose under that rpm compared to the OE one? And what's the fun in an OE cam??

Feeling a bit lost here... Considering the fact I want to pair a cam with the 6.4L Manifold would that not make up the torque difference? Does the 5.7 or 6.4 injectors make a difference?

As mentioned on the pervious page a custom grind from Texas Speed might be the way I need to go. Going to call them today and see what the deal is. Thankfully HF said he'd be able to help me with a tune for any cam. I really didn't want to make a swap to HP tuners and add cost to this whole thing.

In the end I may need to piece this all together from various suppliers rather than getting a package deal. My goal of having this all delivered and installed by the end of May could be tough.

More to come.

Updates?

 

[BrBlack]

Few updates. Nothing crazy.

JG .5 cam kit on order. From what I can tell the Push Rods are part of the kit. Message already sent to JG to confirm.
Just ordered an Auto Meter AFR and Dual Pillar pod.

Looking at head bolts now. Are the ARP ones really worth it? They are 2x the cost of OE? Will spring for the right part but don't want to spend cash needlessly.


Currently looking into Cam/Crank bolts, OE gaskets and MDS plugs. Hoping to confirm correct part numbers for what I need and have a friend with a dodge discount order them. considering price i may skip the tie bars. Maybe.