My Ram Limited looks like crap with a bubbled dash

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Very disappointed. My Ram Limited dash is bubbling. I take great care of it. I bout the lifetime poertrain warranty from Dodge as well as the 125k extended warranty. Neither covers it. Is there a way to get Ram to fix it?
 

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It looks like there's an auto appearance Care Plus package that you could have bought. That probably would have covered that. If you don't have that, it is highly doubtful that any Ram dealership is going to do the work for free. Which you could potentially do is try to work out Goodwill option of buying the part at dealer cost than either having them put it in or you do the work yourself. It may not be that difficult, just probably really time consuming.
 

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There are multiple threads here about this issue where people report getting Stellantis or their local dealership to cover part or all of the cost. But most people who are out of warranty are left to pay for any repairs themselves. Some have suggested contacting an upholstery shop to see what they would charge to recover the dash. This would be cheaper than having a dealership fix it since their fix is to replace the dash.
 

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There are multiple threads here about this issue where people report getting Stellantis or their local dealership to cover part or all of the cost. But most people who are out of warranty are left to pay for any repairs themselves. Some have suggested contacting an upholstery shop to see what they would charge to recover the dash. This would be cheaper than having a dealership fix it since their fix is to replace the dash.
Great options!
 

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There are multiple threads here about this issue where people report getting Stellantis or their local dealership to cover part or all of the cost. But most people who are out of warranty are left to pay for any repairs themselves. Some have suggested contacting an upholstery shop to see what they would charge to recover the dash. This would be cheaper than having a dealership fix it since their fix is to replace the dash.
I am having same issue with my 2021 Ram Limited. Dealer will not cover it. Had to buy a Dash Pad it just is not the same. Replacement dash part is on a 18 month backorder.
 

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Why are so many high end ($65k+) 2019+ limited truck dash pads bubbling, and why isn't Ram taking care of customers with this defect?

It's ridiculous to keep seeing this and all the rear window/rear 3rd brake light leaks showing up across multiple user forums
 

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I did, not the same. Dash pad on a 4 year old very expensive truck. Is this only occuring on Ram Limited editions? Mine is a 2021.
It can occur on any vehicle with a leather covered dash. 5th gen Ram 1500’s seem especially susceptible to this. Only the upper trim level 5th gens come with the leather covered dash…Limited, Longhorn, Tungsten, and I believe TRX.
 

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Why are so many high end ($65k+) 2019+ limited truck dash pads bubbling, and why isn't Ram taking care of customers with this defect?

It's ridiculous to keep seeing this and all the rear window/rear 3rd brake light leaks showing up across multiple user forums
I don’t disagree with you. Unfortunately, from Stellantis’ point of view it’s cheaper for them to repair the ones that happen under warranty than to find and fix the root cause of the issues. This seems to be the approach all automakers take. So, unless they’re forced to for safety reasons, you’ll see this approach with pretty much any brand vehicle.
 

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I don’t disagree with you. Unfortunately, from Stellantis’ point of view it’s cheaper for them to repair the ones that happen under warranty than to find and fix the root cause of the issues. This seems to be the approach all automakers take.

Not all. Audi extended their warranty to 8 years when they found they had a bubbling dash issue.

It may be cheaper in one instance, but customer acquisition and retention is expensive. I'm not feeling real retained by Ram any longer.
 

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Not all. Audi extended their warranty to 8 years when they found they had a bubbling dash issue.

It may be cheaper in one instance, but customer acquisition and retention is expensive. I'm not feeling real retained by Ram any longer.
The number of people who leave one brand for another because they had a bad experience isn't going to affect a car maker's bottom line enough to matter to them. Otherwise they would do something about retaining them. Individual dealerships care more about customer retention, especially in smaller markets. Ram won't miss you if you switch to another brand.

Audi extended the warranty for some specific models/years. It certainly doesn't cover all their vehicles with the leather covered dash. And unfortunately Audi doesn't build pickups lol. I own a 2025 Audi A6 Allroad that I love. But the warranty on the dash is 4 years/50k miles just like with the rest of the car. And even then some Audi owners who have had leather dash de-lamination were told by their dealership that it was only covered for 1 year/12k miles. So while they stepped up for a few very specific instances they are not stepping up across the board.
 

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The number of people who leave one brand for another because they had a bad experience isn't going to affect a car maker's bottom line enough to matter to them. Otherwise they would do something about retaining them. Individual dealerships care more about customer retention, especially in smaller markets. Ram won't miss you if you switch to another brand.

I disagree. Are you going to pretend Stellantis management isn't short sighted AF with expenditures? Stellantis starved the US market on everything from R&D to marketing for short term profit. The fact they don't spend a dime up front to make a dollar on the backend isn't proof they shouldn't.

Customer satisfaction scores are directly linked to profitability, not just in the automotive industry, but let's stick with that for now:


Take a look at the top 4 automakers for Customer Satisfaction scores from ACSI vs the bottom 4(Stellantis brands) and then take a look at sales trends. Ram and Jeep lost market share at an accelerating rate for the past 3 years, as well as selling fewer overall vehicles. Dodge and Chrysler are so dead as to not matter. Meanwhile, the top 4 all increased sales, increased market share year over year, or both.

Customer acquisition and retention costs are huge for automakers. They'll throw thousands of dollars into conquest and loyalty rebates, marketing (unless you're Stellantis), customer retention offices (Ram cares...useless).
 

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I disagree. Are you going to pretend Stellantis management isn't short sighted AF with expenditures? Stellantis starved the US market on everything from R&D to marketing for short term profit. The fact they don't spend a dime up front to make a dollar on the backend isn't proof they shouldn't.

Customer satisfaction scores are directly linked to profitability, not just in the automotive industry, but let's stick with that for now:


Take a look at the top 4 automakers for Customer Satisfaction scores from ACSI vs the bottom 4(Stellantis brands) and then take a look at sales trends. Ram and Jeep lost market share at an accelerating rate for the past 3 years, as well as selling fewer overall vehicles. Dodge and Chrysler are so dead as to not matter. Meanwhile, the top 4 all increased sales, increased market share year over year, or both.

Customer acquisition and retention costs are huge for automakers. They'll throw thousands of dollars into conquest and loyalty rebates, marketing (unless you're Stellantis), customer retention offices (Ram cares...useless).
Disagree about what? I never said it doesn't have a cost for them. I said they don't seem to be concerned about that cost enough to do something about it. See the difference?

I retired from a company who's main concern was customer satisfaction. We had more customer loyalty than any of our competitors by a long shot. A few of the more recognizable of our competitors were GE, ABB, Toshiba, and Siemens. Our products carry a 10 year warranty. The company has been around since 1984 and has never charged for a repair even though the warranty had expired. That's standing behind your product. No car maker will ever do something even close to that.
 
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It can occur on any vehicle with a leather covered dash. 5th gen Ram 1500’s seem especially susceptible to this. Only the upper trim level 5th gens come with the leather covered dash…Limited, Longhorn, Tungsten, and I believe TRX.

I have '19 Longhorn, and the leather dash is absolutely gorgeous. Leather is highly vulnerable to the elements, so if I was gonna park in the hot sun, I'd be sure to use a foldable sun shade device of some sort. I also use plenty of high quality leather conditioner. Leather dash is extra nice, but requires extra care.......
 

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I have '19 Longhorn, and the leather dash is absolutely gorgeous. Leather is highly vulnerable to the elements, so if I was gonna park in the hot sun, I'd be sure to use a foldable sun shade device of some sort. I also use plenty of high quality leather conditioner. Leather dash is extra nice, but requires extra care.......
I'm glad to hear that but I'm curious why you quoted me in your post. I said it can occur not that it will or always occurs. For the record, the dash in our 2020 Limited is also in perfect condition. Many of the people who have had this issue claim that they also were just as diligent as you are with their leather dash. Parking in the garage and/or always using a sun shade. Applying leather conditioners. But still had the issue. Personally, I think it's more of a luck of the draw thing, as some of the pics I've seen show that it looks like they didn't apply enough adhesive when the leather was applied to the dash. In other words quality control is probably lacking at the factory. We haven't been nearly as diligent as you in taking care of the dash. Although we do always use a sun shade. Now that the truck is in Florida full time it's probably more likely to happen if it's the sun which causes it.
 

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I'm glad to hear that but I'm curious why you quoted me in your post. ....

I highlighted the relevant sentence that I thought was appropriate, but hey, I'm getting old, haha.

I wonder how much of the problem is actually luck of the draw? Most adhesives are applied by robots nowadays, and they seem fairly consistent. I'd be curious to see if most of the issues occurred in sunny, hot states like Arizona or Florida?? IMHO I don't think it would take too much hot sun exposure to cause an issue.

But actually, dash cracking and warping is a problem that has been around for many years, with many different materials, certainly not limited to leather......
 

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I highlighted the relevant sentence that I thought was appropriate, but hey, I'm getting old, haha.

I wonder how much of the problem is actually luck of the draw? Most adhesives are applied by robots nowadays, and they seem fairly consistent. I'd be curious to see if most of the issues occurred in sunny, hot states like Arizona or Florida?? IMHO I don't think it would take too much hot sun exposure to cause an issue.

But actually, dash cracking and warping is a problem that has been around for many years, with many different materials, certainly not limited to leather......
Haha! Aren't we all getting old.

Without knowing anything about the process I have no idea if the adhesive is applied robotically. If so it would stand to reason that it would be more consistently applied. It would be interesting to find out either way.

Yeah, the sun can wreak all sorts of havoc for sure. I've owned plenty of cars and trucks with sun damaged dash's. I've owned three different square body Chevy trucks and all of them had a severely cracked dash. JC Whitney had a solution for that though. :D
 

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Disagree about what? I never said it doesn't have a cost for them. I said they don't seem to be concerned about that cost enough to do something about it. See the difference?

I certainly didn't get that from this:

The number of people who leave one brand for another because they had a bad experience isn't going to affect a car maker's bottom line enough to matter to them.

The number of people leaving over a bad experience very much matters, and some carmakers are quite concerned exactly precisely because of that.

Individual dealerships care more about customer retention, especially in smaller markets. Ram won't miss you if you switch to another brand.

Maybe. I think Ram is missing a lot of people who've left, though. See the new 10 year warranty gimmick.
 
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