Need help deciding on 6.4 or 6.7 cummins

[cc rider]

Show me a gas mechanic that can make 6 figures

Yet for some odd reason it is urban legend that you pay more of a labor rate at a dealer for a diesel technician. The hourly rate at the dealerships around me are the same diesel or not.





That is funny right there.

 

[SouthTexan]

Show me a gas mechanic that can make 6 figures

Gas mechanic? I don't quite think you know how dealerships operate. You are either certified to work on certain engines(or models) by taking manufacturer's courses or not. If the technician is not certified on said engine, then he does not get to work on said engine especially if it is warranty. This is regardless if they are diesel or not. The more certifications you have, the more you can work on, and the greater opportunity you have to make more money versus those that are less certified. Also, the labor rate the shop charges is the same even if two technicians make different amounts.

However, medium and heavy duty technicians do tend to make a lot more than light duty technicians. I do know a lot of them that make more than 100k a year which is probably where this urban legend came from. Light duty(which are the vehicles we have) technicians not so much.

 

[cc rider]

There u have it. Thats what I was talking about. Isnt one of the reasons they make more because they are more expensive to repair? (not maintain)

However, medium and heavy duty technicians do tend to make a lot more than light duty technicians. I do know a lot of them that make more than 100k a year which is probably where this urban legend came from. Light duty(which are the vehicles we have) technicians not so much.

 

[SouthTexan]

There u have it. Thats what I was talking about. Isnt one of the reasons they make more because they are more expensive to repair? (not maintain)

Again, I said "medium and heavy duty" trucks which are 450/4500 trucks up to Semi-trucks. Light duty trucks are 350/3500 trucks and below. Medium and heavy duty truck technicians make more than light duty technicians in general regardless if it is a gas engine in the truck or not.

If I go into a dealer and tell them to replace a water pump on my truck, he is NOT going to charge me a higher labor rate than what he charges everyone else because mine is diesel. That is just not how it works. He would charge me the same labor rate to put on a 6.7L $292 water pump(<-- per Mopar parts) as he would to put on a 6.4L $344 water pump(<--- per Mopar parts). The hours charged might differ depending on what the book says.

 

[cc rider]

Yes , and the point is diesel mechanics make a higher wage. i never said anything about "light duty". I should have said show me a non diesel mechanic who can make 6 figures. I know what you are talking about. I know what a 450/550 is. You hear about your average joe having them to haul big campers around. you can set your examples. im sure if you took a poll here you would see that diesels are not as clean/ more expensive to repair/maintain than you think. At least from all the research i have done, that is the case. Otherwise wouldnt /shouldnt we all have them? If they are great in cold weather, have no emissions problems, and are cheaper to fix than gas......its a no brainer, towing or not. You seem to always defend the diesel whenever someone says anything negative about it. Ill give you the cummins is a hell of an engine from all the tests I have seen/read about. If i was towing more often, i would definitely want one. But, why is it that everyone says to not get one if you are not towing much and you dont "need it"?

 

[SouthTexan]

Yes , and the point is diesel mechanics make a higher wage. i never said anything about "light duty". I should have said show me a non diesel mechanic who can make 6 figures. I know what you are talking about. I know what a 450/550 is.

False! Again, medium duty and heavy duty technicians in general make more than light duty technicians regardless if the specialize in diesels or not. Just because a technician chooses to specialize in diesels does not mean he get paid more in the heavy duty world either.

There are technicians that specializes in other things that get paid either the same or more. One example are our technicians that specialize in drivetrain. We have two drivetrain specialist. One specializes on Eaton and Meritor manual or autoshift shift transmissions while the other specializes in Allison automatic transmissions. Both clear 6 figures depending on the year as with any technician and never touch a diesel engine. Then there are our fabricators who specialize in rig-ups like wet kits, winches, and roll offs. These guys also make 6 figures depending on the year and never touch a diesel engine. Another example are our electrical specialist. They do a lot of diag on electrical issues and install specialized equipment. They make 6 figures depending on the year and hardly ever touch a diesel engine.

Then there is light duty technicians which are the ones that work on trucks like yours and mine. Just because they specialize in diesels does not mean they get paid more either. As I said before, it depends on the technicians certifications along with other things like experience and time in. You can have a tech that specializes in diesels, but the dealership he works at does not do a lot of diesel repair. The techs in that shop that specialize in gasoline engines would more than likely get paid more per hour and have more work because there is more work available. So yes, it is false to say that just because a tech specializes in diesels then he gets paid more than any other tech or any other specialization. On general, there is also no such thing as a tech getting payed more when you works on a diesel as opposed to when he works on a gas engine either. He gets paid the same hourly rate whether it is installing a seat belt in a Ram 1500 or working on a fuel pump on a diesel or gas engine.

You hear about your average joe having them to haul big campers around. you can set your examples. im sure if you took a poll here you would see that diesels are not as clean/ more expensive to repair/maintain than you think. At least from all the research i have done, that is the case

I find it funny that you ask me questions about diesels and their systems and now you seem like you are lecturing me about them. You already have a predetermined notion in your head, and you are going to pick and choose information to fit that predetermined notion. Although I don't have to do research on this subject because I live it.

. Otherwise wouldnt /shouldnt we all have them? If they are great in cold weather, have no emissions problems, and are cheaper to fix than gas......its a no brainer, towing or not.

I never said that diesel engines are so great that they are for everyone. In fact I have recommended other engines to other people depending on their needs/wants in this very same forum. So using the "shouldn't we all have them if they are so great" argument that you are trying to use is not only false but is a weak form of argument. Every bodies needs/wants are different and there are different tools for different jobs. Just because you prefer a certain tool to do a job does NOT mean another tool that some one else chooses is bad.

You seem to always defend the diesel whenever someone says anything negative about it.

Really? I gave truthful facts to answer not only the OP's questions but also yours. If the information that others post is true and factual, then I say nothing. However if the information is not factual or a partial telling of the truth to only show a one sided bias like you are trying to do then yes I will respond with facts. I also will provide input if I happen to know a thing or two about the threads topic which in this case I do yet you seem to provide input on a subject you know little about.

It is also funny too that the very same person seems to "like" false information as long as it makes what he likes looks good or what he doesn't like look bad.

i'll give you the cummins is a hell of an engine from all the tests I have seen/read about. If i was towing more often, i would definitely want one. But, why is it that everyone says to not get one if you are not towing much and you dont "need it"?

Again, I never even told anyone here in this thread to get a Cummins or any other engine. All I did was give the OP insight to the recent changes made to the Cummins that addressed the concerns he had in his original post. I also answered your question too along with fixing some false information. I said nothing here about why someone should "need" or "want" a certain engine.

 

[6.4 dude]

So you pull wrenches for a living?

 

[SouthTexan]

So you pull wrenches for a living?

No, not anymore. That was the early days when I was high school and a few years after. I do work in the medium and heavy duty truck market and have since I was sixteen in one way or another along with some light duty. However, I am more on the consultant/sales/management side of the business.

 

[6.4 dude]

Hmmmm...

 

[billiardbrawler]

well....looks as though I'll be talking out of both sides of my mouth..... pulled the trigger on a 2015 laramie, crew, 4x4 cummins....price was right...took my maggie srt8 on trade for what I wanted.....basically, gave up the ram boxes, mega cab and sunroof for the cummins....same price...I hope I'll be happy...I think I made the right decision...time will tell...

Thanks for everyones input!

 

[cc rider]

X2........

Hmmmm...

 

[jadocs]

well....looks as though I'll be talking out of both sides of my mouth..... pulled the trigger on a 2015 laramie, crew, 4x4 cummins....price was right...took my maggie srt8 on trade for what I wanted.....basically, gave up the ram boxes, mega cab and sunroof for the cummins....same price...I hope I'll be happy...I think I made the right decision...time will tell...

Thanks for everyones input!

Guarantee you will be happy. Congrats.

 

[SouthTexan]

Congrats on your new truck billiardbrawler!

Even though a month is not a long time for diesel to sit, i f you are still worried about fuel stability while not using your truck then I would recommend Stanadyne. It has many other benefits along with being a fuel stabilizer. They also make a gasoline formula too. One bottle is 2 tank fulls.

Performance Formula « Stanadyne Additives

 

[cc rider]

No, not anymore. That was the early days when I was high school and a few years after. I do work in the medium and heavy duty truck market and have since I was sixteen in one way or another along with some light duty. However, I am more on the consultant/sales/management side of the business.

Wow! you are one arrogant mother! Just out of curiousity, are you in your 20's cause I picture you as a young punk. No offense to the 20 yr. olds. I was a big time trouble maker/a!@ hole when i was that age. Im not saying tex is . But, Im referring to everything you have posted about in this forum. I went through and was looking at some of your other posts. You just CAN NOT be wrong! You also HAVE to have the last word when there is a topic you are discussing and you dont like it. When i read the 6.4 vs 6.7 thread , I saw through you. You attacked twilliams for no reason at all! He is not the only one. Many have stated how you always say all the 6.4 owners attack the cummins guys blah blah blah. Ill tell you this.... you may know some things about the diesel (or not), but you present yourself as a jerk. All someone has to do is read that 6.4 vs 6.7 thread and some of your other posts with the name calling and so on. You spend a lot of time quoting people and looking for their faults or trying to make yourself look smarter/better than others. And you HAVE pointed out some cons of the 6.4 which you say you dont do. You wont respond when someone makes a statement that deserves a response , Im assuming cause you know you are wrong and wont admit it. Please dont make me go back and copy a bunch of quotes and prove you wrong if you deny this. I beg you!

 

[SouthTexan]

Wow! you are one arrogant mother! Just out of curiousity, are you in your 20's cause I picture you as a young punk. No offense to the 20 yr. olds. I was a big time trouble maker/a!@ hole when i was that age. Im not saying tex is.

Sooooo let me get this straight. You asked me a question about the new diesels and I answered that question. Then you posted some false and misguided information based on your assumptions. I then told you that those assumptions were incorrect. You again asked for examples to back up what I said while saying that diesels are "not as I think". I then provided you with examples which proved your assumptions wrong that you were so addement that they were correct. Now you are saying I am an "arrogant mother", an @$$hole, and that I am way younger then I actually am all because you are now butt hurt that I proved the assumptons you had wrong that you should not have made in the first place. Is that the jist of it or am I looking at this wrong?

BTW, it has been many moons and many seasons since I was in my 20s.

But, Im referring to everything you have posted about in this forum. I went through and was looking at some of your other posts. You just CAN NOT be wrong! You also HAVE to have the last word when there is a topic you are discussing and you dont like it.

I can and have been wrong before. I will even man up and admit if I was wrong and some one proved it. I don't just go by people's heresay. Although, unlike you did here, I don't step into things I don't know about or have no experience on. I will even even tell others if I do not know like I did with you here.....

"I don't know about that much weight for a 6.4L, but hopefully there is someone with a 6.4L that has pulled that much with an RV to help you out. "
http://www.ramforum.com/f158/most_weight_youve_pulled_your_6_4_a-67048/

and with another person here......

"I am not familiar with the EGR system on the 6.4L to comment, and cannot find enough info about it to give an educated answer."
http://www.ramforum.com/f158/6_4_vs_6_7_a-57013/index6.html


You see, a smart person once told me a long time ago that it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are ignorant, then to open it by making assumptions like you did here and remove all doubt. In the military we called assumptions SWAG(Stupid Wild A$$ Guess). We had to make a few from time to time, but we learned really quickly to not make them all the time or you will end up in a CF. This is why when I post I am (almost always) right because I don't post if I don't know and will even say I don't know if I don't because I hate assumptions. It is either you know or you don't so why speak and makes assumptions about things you do not know. I don't know about you, but I would much rather get the correct info from people that know instead of people makeing SWAGs. I can't immagine what the military would be like if we all made assumptions all the time.

When i read the 6.4 vs 6.7 thread , I saw through you. You attacked twilliams for no reason at all!

And what he said to Hdperformance was nothing or even the bias misguided info he posted was nothing? Like I said before, apperantly some of you guys "like" false or biased info if it makes what you like look good or what you don't like look bad.

He is not the only one. Many have stated how you always say all the 6.4 owners attack the cummins guys blah blah blah. Ill tell you this.... you may know some things about the diesel (or not), but you present yourself as a jerk.

Says the person who told me I was incorrect(when I wasn't) and is now butt hurt because I proved them wrong.

All someone has to do is read that 6.4 vs 6.7 thread and some of your other posts with the name calling and so on.

Says the guy that just said I was in my 20s, and "arrogant mother", and an @$$hole. I am guessing those aren't names to you? Also, please show me waht names I called people. If they were not warranted then I will apologize.

You spend a lot of time quoting people and looking for their faults or trying to make yourself look smarter/better than others..

As I said before, if I see information that I know is false or partially true then I will respond just as almost everyone here would.

And you HAVE pointed out some cons of the 6.4 which you say you dont do. You wont respond when someone makes a statement that deserves a response.

Where? If it is false or not a part of the discussiion then I will apologise.

Im assuming cause you know you are wrong and wont admit it. Please dont make me go back and copy a bunch of quotes and prove you wrong if you deny this. I beg you!

There you go with more assumptions again.

 

[6.4 dude]

Another thread down the tubes.....op, congrats on the new truck.

 

[hemi1282]

Someone sure got into their feelings

 

[cc rider]

I apologize guys. Im here to learn and try to help others. i just dont like tex. He doesnt follow his own advice (keeping your mouth shut). I just had to tell him how I felt. I simply was implying that diesel mechanics make more than non diesel. You can do a search on google for the wages and for verification. I personally know 2 that make a good dollar and no "regular" mechanic could touch it. and if you havent read the 6.4 vs 6.7 thread please do. You will see what I am talking about. I never said anything about working at a dealership or anything like that along with other mechanics. I would much rather block him. If there is a way, please let me know. I will be following up to his post soon but I am very busy so....again sorry

 

[theviking]

Might be nicer if you just took it to PM's at this point.

 

[cc rider]

I would be happy to if tex doesn't mind