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XL Denali

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I'm planning on getting a new truck in the spring and I'm trying to do some research. As my name indicates I'm coming from the GM side. I have a 2004 Yukon XL Denali with almost 270,000 and it's getting a little worn out and rusted out. I don't like the GM offerings out there so I'm between the RAM and F-150.
I'm thinking about getting something between 2010-2014 Crew Cab Hemi 4x4. One thing Ido need is a front bench which from looking on line limits my options. I like the looks of the Sport but looks like that's center console shift only?
Is there that big of a difference in the 5, 6, and 8 speed transmissions that I should limit my search to the newer model years? How much will I save in gas?
Are there any specific things I should look for our stay away from on the trucks? I'm from Michigan so I'm curious how they hold up to the winter salt. Will I find a lot of rust when I start looking?
Thanks for your thoughts! I appreciate the help!
 

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Big difference in the transmission, from MPG, Power, and Reliability. I would only look at 2013 and newer. This year they started with the 8 spd offering and also have 8.4N option. If you find a late model '13 or '14 they will have the iridium plugs, which only need to be changed every 100k. Probably good for someone like you that will keep it a long time.
 

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I run a Ford dealer so I will start there. The 2011-2014 f-150s are only worth it if you get the 3.5 Ecoboost. The 5.0 is garbage, there is no power in that engine in that truck. I know V8 "grunt grunt grunt" but its a horrible comparison to the 3.5 twin turbo. I have seen many hit over 200k without breaking a sweat. You can get the F-150 base lariat or XLT with a bench in front without too much hassle. The downside is you get what you get. Fords are not so easy to add radios, seats, or what could be factory options that the Rams easily accomplish. The 3.5 Ecoboost will average the same as the Hemi in the ram so dont get too carried away with only fables. Ive seen thousands of these trucks and all average mid teens so believe the source not the rumor. Towing, Speed, and acceleration are all similar between the 3.5 and the Hemi. The only downside to the f-150 xlt models is there isnt an AWD setting, that is only on the Lariats and above.

Onto the Ram 2013+. Here is where bias comes in because I have a Ram, and yes run a Ford dealer. The Rams you have more options after the fact and here is what I would look for if I were you. Again this is if you were to ask me, "hey Bill how do I get all the options I want and need seating for 6. You can get a Laramie with a bench seat, they again are hard to come by as most will want the bucket, but I understand the need for 6 seats. To make the search easier I would hunt out a Bighorn 4x4 Hemi with the 8 speed with a bench. Here is why. If it doesnt have navigation, you add factory nav, if you want leather heated and cooled seats, you add factory seats, you want the ungraded instrument cluster, you add from factory. If you find a Laramie with the bench buy it, I speak for the local market those things are unicorns. The bighorn with the hemi will have the 4-auto for that winter storm driving.

All newer trucks have electroplated underpinnings so they would all be equal, I would highly recommend adding more for your winters though.



I got lucky with a bighorn with the luxury group which is the upgrade dash auto dimming and such, Park assist which is front and rear sensors as well the camera, and the Uconnect 8.4.
 

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Well stated WilliamS.

I'd would agree on getting the 8 speed transmission. This is my 2nd Dodge/Ram product with it and I love the transmission/hemi combo.

Good luck with your search!
 

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A bighorn will have a lot of your options with ability to upgrade as you see fit later. It is a nice statement those most mopar items can be added with just basic mechanical skills and patience. The hardest part is getting the dealer to add the code to the computer.
My first truck had the bench seat and they are cheaper to buy and find on eBay. So if you get one with a center console you can swap in a bench seat and make money if your center console.

Look closely at the undercarriage and the rocker panels for rust from the salt. I don’t live in an area that has to worry about rust but a lot of guys add the protection right at purchase.

I had the 6 speed transmission originally and traded into a big horn with an 8 speed and 3.92 gears, completely different truck. Gas is a minor change like 1-2 mpg depending on your style.

Just test drive but if your buying a earlier model most of the kinks should have been rectified.

Good luck!


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I came from a 90's era GM truck and in the process did a lot of truck looking, here are my thoughts:

1) Rust - Well, the newer GMs with the squared-off fenders seem to rust pretty bad. Lot of them here in WI with rusting wheel wells. Rams 'seem' better but in the N. states, rust is always going to be a problem. My advice is to find the cleanest truck you can. Might be worth a trip down to KY or whatever state is rust-free for you, get one, then rust-proof it so it'll look good longer for you since you tend to keep your trucks a while. Mine (2012) is remarkably rust-free underneath, but it might be how it was maintained. What I like about Rams is they use a rear plastic inner fender liner which the other mfgrs don't. Mud flaps and running board would be really helpful. There are some strange rust places on these rams. Might want to carefully read through this thread:
http://www.ramforum.com/f75/how_fluid_film_your_truck-111020/

2) Bench Seat - None of the mfgrs are going to have the traditional 'bench' seat like you're probably thinkng of ...a 40/60 on the older GM's which were really nice. Most have a 40/20/40 seating arrangement which IMO sucks compared to a traditional bench seat. It's basically a small upholstered foam 'seat' in place of the console. Crap can still fall between the cracks and it's not as comfortable as the old-school bench seats. Still, better than the ultra-wide space-wasting console that would normally be there and there IS a shoulder strap for the front center passenger ....which I give credit for, that's pretty nice. In addition, I think the fabrics the mfgrs have been using lately are cheap and feel awful on yer skin. The leathers seem pretty good though, but I don't care for leather in my truck.

3) Seating arrangement, interior - I think Dodge has them beat here. Just a lot nicer than the GM's IMO. I wanted to buy a GM in the worst way, but the interiors seemed very cheap and didn't care for the lay-out at all. I don't know if the Nav is worth it. Hardly anyone on this site even uses it. Seems like a way to sell trucks and then forget it. I didn't get Nav because: 1) I know where I'm going, 2) Tech always gets old fast on vehicles, 3) Phone works better anyway, 4) A lot easier to control a traditional radio.

4) Visibility - Coming from your 04, you're going to notice that over-the-hood visibility has become gawd-awful on the newer trucks with their high hood design. It's really hard to see over the hoods like on the older generations. Mfgrs have gone backwards on this point (I'm not short either!!). BUT, of the newer trucks, I think no doubt RAM has the better visibility of the big 3.

5) Style - Here again I think Ram has them beat. I guess you'll have to go look and see what you think.

6) Engine/Trans - Well, I have the 5.7 (2012 version) and to me, this thing has real snort! I just wanted the regular cab ...there's about 13" behind the seat in a regular cab, so a lot of buyers might not need an extended cab with that amt of space (and use the extra for cargo space). I don't see anything wrong with the 6-spd tranny. It doesn't go through the gears serially so ya really don't notice the 6 spd over the old-school 4spd trannys. 2012 also has the 8-6-4 engine cylinder deactivation, which is so seamless you can't really 'feel' it. I'm getting about 17.5 mpg last time I figured things out ...about 1mpg better than my old GM tk (which was lighter than the Ram). If I put on more Hwy miles I might bump up a little more.

7) Construction - I like how the Ram is put together compared to the others. The hydroformed frame and overall underneath seems good. I looked at a bunch of trucks about the same age and the Rams seemed less rusty under than the Fords or GM's. Mine has about 150k mi and not a squeak/rattle/hiss/gurgle or burp. https://www.ramtrucks.com/en/pdf/141549_DRP12US_1500_eBrochure.pdf

8) Ride - No question the ram has a great ride. A lot depends on the shocks/tires the truck you look at has. You might test drive a used truck where the dealer or previous owner put some cheapo tires on it and 1/2 worn-out shocks, and the next Ram might have $1,000 worth of 10-ply tires and Bilesteins and you'd think they were completely different! Keep that in mind and test out a few. I think overall, all the mfgrs make a decent product.

Good luck!!!
 
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squeak/rattle/hiss/gurgle or burp...lol!! :roflsquared:
 

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I've had both 8 and the older 5/6 speeds.

In a RAM truck that doesn't tow much, the 8 speed is always shifting, but is nice when you lay on the throttle at 65mph as there there are closer ratio gearing available.

From a dead stop, the older transmission is quicker as it doesn't spend as much time shifting. For driving around town its better.

Just saying that many prefer the older transmission, its also easier (less expensive) to work on and many more independent techs know there away around it. So you may want to test drive before making up your mind.

In a V6, the 8 speed is better all around, in a V8 the 8 speed is better towing and hauling heavy on the highway. Otherwise many like the older transmission.
 

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I would strongly disagree, the 5/6 sp is in no way better than the 8sp, at any speed or in town or hwy.
Would not have even bought a Ram if not for the 8sp.
 

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I've had both 8 and the older 5/6 speeds.

In a RAM truck that doesn't tow much, the 8 speed is always shifting, but is nice when you lay on the throttle at 65mph as there there are closer ratio gearing available.

From a dead stop, the older transmission is quicker as it doesn't spend as much time shifting. For driving around town its better.

My 8spd with 3.93 gears does not do this... Shifts silky smooth, and accelerates like no other.

This 8spd is just as good as the one in my chipped Audi A4 2.0T.
 
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Thanks for the info guys! I appreciate it.
One other question... How is the 4.7 V8? Should I even consider or no?
Just some info on my end. It would mostly be a daily driver. I probably would rarely tow. Nothing big. Just throw some stuff in the bed like helping someone move or dirt bikes, so I don't need it for towing. How does the 4.7 compare to the 5.7 as far as reliability and mpg?
Thanks again!
 

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The 4.7 Hemi in our 03 Jeep Grand Cherokee has been very dependable and is a very strong engine. It's got real get up and go! The engine has been around for many years and has a proven track record. Ours has 200k miles on it, still running strong. At around 330 ft/lbs of torque it's no slouch. I would definitely consider it. It probably makes more sense as a daily driver and opens your search up to a lot more vehicles. I never get on my 5.7 ...but sometimes may tow a skid loader. If you tow and live in the mountain states, a stronger engine can't hurt, but for normal driving either would be fine IMO.

I've heard great things about the V6 too, it also specs out pretty strong. I haven't driven one, but a lot of guys here like them.
 
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In regards to the transmission, I am also a fan of the 6 speed over the 8 speed. I currently have the 6sp and my brother has the 8sp, we both have 3.92's. In his truck, it seems like the transmission is always shifting. Now, I'm sure you get used to it and people swear by it, so I'm sure there are performance advantages...but given the choice, I'd keep my 6sp.
 

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Good to know Jeepwalker! Thanks for the info!

If you can get the 5.7, get the 5.7. Having come from a 4.7 on my 2003, it was a great engine, but it just misses the umph of the 5.7.

There are many people who got the 4.7 who wish they got the 5.7, I don't think there are many who got the 5.7 who wish they got the 4.7...
 
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Thanks guys. I'd be coming from the 6.0 in my current vehicle but it's 14 years old soon so I'm guessing even the 4.7 would be plenty? I guess I'll have to test drive. It would just be for the fun factor anyway. Haha...
 

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Thanks guys. I'd be coming from the 6.0 in my current vehicle but it's 14 years old soon so I'm guessing even the 4.7 would be plenty? I guess I'll have to test drive. It would just be for the fun factor anyway. Haha...

Can you really put a value on the smile on your face every time you press the go pedal? If you can't afford it, wait until you can...

There is a BIG difference in power. Couple the 8spd auto with the 3.92 gears, and you will get cramps on your face from smiling so much...
 

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You're just going to have to get out and drive some with each engine and see what meets your needs and what kind of deal you can find. I hardly 'stomp on it' with my 5.7 but some guys do. Tall gearing is just going to be a waste of gas ($$) unless you need it.

The thing is, even though the 5.7 specs out as TWICE as powerful as the 200hp engine in my older GM 350 tbi truck, the real-world difference in acceleration is probably 25% or so. And what I had before was adequate for MY driving style. But for occasional trailer towing, that's where the extra power is handy. For normal every day driving any engine would probably work fine. A lot of times looking at 'used' trucks it comes down to the other features and 'deal' you can find. That's how it seems to work for me :)


I expect gas shoot way up in price one of these days .. $4+ per gallon. Don't you remember when it cost $125 to fill the tank? The companies are just chomping at the bit for some world 'disturbance' to raise prices. I can't believe we've had this level of stable pricing for this long. If it does, a lot of guys gonna get caught with their shorts down.

Ultimately there's probably a 1 mpg difference between the 4.7 and 5.7 if even that, and yeah, the 5.7 does put a smile on yer face when the need arises!! :)
 
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The thing is, even though the 5.7 specs out as TWICE as powerful as the 200hp engine in my older GM 350 tbi truck, the real-world difference in acceleration is probably 25% or so.

You know what ....after running some errands tonight, I'm going to amend my earlier statement (above) and say the 5.7 DOES have a lot more power than my older 350 tbi. Hard to put a number on it but it moves the truck around extremely well. It's powerful motor. And the Ram is a heavier truck. But the 4.7 and V6 both have more power
 

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