Oil Filter Recommendations ??

[Zoe Saldana]

My research says that Mopar filters are made by WIX.
I bought the Mopar for my 6.4l but the thing is so dam small I will be looking for a larger filter next time.

There is room for a longer and wider filter.

 

[hunterdan]

Are these filters any good? I thought I read somewhere that Mann was one of the more reputable brands out there.
MANN-FILTER W 7030 Oil Filter https://share.google/5q7hjOzxamNQ1t9SM

 

[Curmudgeon]

Personally I would keep looking. No idea what the filter material is but the pic shows only 4 average size inlet holes, and it a 3" by 3" filter, so same as the tiny Mopar MO-339.

Maybe look into the Purolator Boss PBL 24651. More inlet holes, full syn media, and it's a larger filter, I think 4" by 4".

You could always try it for a shorter OCI then cut it open, for science.

Also, worst case scenario, I have almost enough good filters to last about 10 years. You are welcome to one if you are having trouble finding anything.
I have the RP 20-820 and the PBL 24651 both in my garage, and it looks like we live pretty close.

 

[mikeru]

Are these filters any good? I thought I read somewhere that Mann was one of the more reputable brands out there.
MANN-FILTER W 7030 Oil Filter https://share.google/5q7hjOzxamNQ1t9SM

German company. They're decent filters found on lots of European cars. I've used them in my Audi's for years, although those cars all use cartridge style filters and not the canister style. Never had an issue with them.

 

[EdGs]

I just got a PBL24651, it is a larger size filter like the XG2/FE2.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I like PUP 5w30 and I run Valvoline EP in my other car so there is your answer, can't go wrong there. My hemi requires voodoo juice to shut up, or perhaps I would be running a euro 0w30 such as valvoline and dose it with a good moly count, or m1 esp euro 0w30.

Just remember those API SP 5W-30's are watered down to damn near SAE 20 wt.

If you're loading your engine regularly (be it a Hemi truck engine for towing, or a little 4 cylinder engine with a turbo), that's no good for wear.

You need a real SAE 30 wt. You get those from the Euro oils like Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30, HPI SC 0W-30, Red Line 5W-30.

 

[Zoe Saldana]

The boss is not that good:
Micron Rating: 99% efficiency at >46 microns.

Fram Ultra synthic
Micron Rating: 99%+ efficiency at >20 microns.

Mobi1
Micron Rating/Efficiency: 99%+ efficiency at 30+ microns.

Personally I would keep looking. No idea what the filter material is but the pic shows only 4 average size inlet holes, and it a 3" by 3" filter, so same as the tiny Mopar MO-339.

Maybe look into the Purolator Boss PBL 24651. More inlet holes, full syn media, and it's a larger filter, I think 4" by 4".

You could always try it for a shorter OCI then cut it open, for science.

Also, worst case scenario, I have almost enough good filters to last about 10 years. You are welcome to one if you are having trouble finding anything.
I have the RP 20-820 and the PBL 24651 both in my garage, and it looks like we live pretty close.

 

[Curmudgeon]

The boss is not that good:
Micron Rating: 99% efficiency at >46 microns.

Fram Ultra synthic
Micron Rating: 99%+ efficiency at >20 microns.

Mobi1
Micron Rating/Efficiency: 99%+ efficiency at 30+ microns.

This says the Boss is a lot better than your statement, and Fram went out of business and is no longer available. Purolator is still out there, but I'd love to see data of a higher level than "Zoe says"

 

[HEMIMANN]

This says the Boss is a lot better than your statement, and Fram went out of business and is no longer available. Purolator is still out there, but I'd love to see data of a higher level than "Zoe says"

View attachment 583908

The Project Farm test that was conducted more recently showed otherwise, while showing similar results for the others.

I'd say the Boss was made less efficient over time.

 

[Curmudgeon]

The Project Farm test that was conducted more recently showed otherwise, while showing similar results for the others.

I'd say the Boss was made less efficient over time.

The chart I posted is dated 5 years ago, and I suspect there have been many changes since then, many of which have not been documented.

Crazy times. And this is just filters. Oils are likely going through similar changes and it seems endless to try and keep up. Filters that were "the best" just last year can no longer be found. Some others were thought to be among the best only to find testing that revealed a different truth.

I try to save reliable information when I find it, and share it when I can, but it feels a lot like chasing our tails these days.

 

[Yardbird]

Micron Size Comparison Chart​

Particle	Particle Size (Microns)
postage stamp (1 inch)	25,400
beach sand	100-2000
eye of a needle	1230
pollens	10-1000
saw dust	30-600
coffee	4-400
dust mites	100-300
table salt	120
human hair	70
lower limit of visibility (naked eye)	40
household dust	40
mold spores	10-30
white blood cells	25
talcum powder	10
red blood cells	8
bacteria	3
spider web	2-3
lead dust	2
corn starch	0.1-0.8
tobacco smoke	0.5
90% of all oil contaminants	0.5-2
0.001 millimeter	1

 

[Zoe Saldana]

This says the Boss is a lot better than your statement, and Fram went out of business and is no longer available. Purolator is still out there, but I'd love to see data of a higher level than "Zoe says"

View attachment 583908

I was using the BOSS until Burla convinced me to use the FRAM.

I'm now using MOPAR/wix made?, until I find something better

 

[Curmudgeon]

I was using the BOSS until Burla convinced me to use the FRAM.

I'm now using MOPAR/wix made?, until I find something better

Good luck. I have enough in my garage for about 8-10 years worth or oil changes. I would NOT be happy about shopping around for a good filter today. Hopefully that quality "vacuum" will soon be addressed.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Micron Size Comparison Chart​

Particle	Particle Size (Microns)
postage stamp (1 inch)	25,400
beach sand	100-2000
eye of a needle	1230
pollens	10-1000
saw dust	30-600
coffee	4-400
dust mites	100-300
table salt	120
human hair	70
lower limit of visibility (naked eye)	40
household dust	40
mold spores	10-30
white blood cells	25
talcum powder	10
red blood cells	8
bacteria	3
spider web	2-3
lead dust	2
corn starch	0.1-0.8
tobacco smoke	0.5
90% of all oil contaminants	0.5-2
0.001 millimeter	1

That's interesting, not tell us which particles cause the majority of wear in an engine. (hint: it's below 20 micron)

 

[HEMIMANN]

It might be this hour long video from a year ago with the Donaldson Filtration guy, that discussed particle size vs engine wear and life expectency. Anyway, for modern engine clearances, the particle size range is 3-20 microns that will cause wear, depending what the "particle" is. You can take something like 100,000 miles off a 200,000 mile engine running a rock catcher oil and air filter in a dusty area (silicon sand particles are abrasive like grinding wheels) constantly.

Bigger particles can't get into the machine clearance space, smaller particles pass through the space. So filters with crappy filtration efficiency below 20 micron aren't doing much good, is the point.

So the point is, try to use a high efficiency filter that has enough surface area not to plug and go into bypass before your oil change interval. Use a synthetic media, because it has less flow restriction due to more uniform media pore size.

And always replace the filter with the oil because you don't know when it is full of dirt. The only way to know is a differential pressure meter that tells you when the filter needs to be changed. They use those on higher value machines.

DIRTY Filters Are BETTER Filters + BYPASS Filters EXPLAINED

We are joined by the guys at Donaldson Filters for deeper dive into air, fuel and oil filters.RELATED VIDEO LINKS:Air Filters - https://youtu.be/0flEIBOTYrEF...

www.youtube.com

 

[pacofortacos]

What about the small diameter but longer than stock filter vs. the larger diameter but closer to stock length filter?

Has anyone calculated the filter area capacity/area between those two?

Or any reason not to run the smaller diameter filter but longer filter ( I think for a 2011 3.7 engine)?
It fits a bit easier on my engine.

 

[Govtman]

I was using the BOSS until Burla convinced me to use the FRAM.

I'm now using MOPAR/wix made?, until I find something better

Something better.....

 

[HEMIMANN]

What about the small diameter but longer than stock filter vs. the larger diameter but closer to stock length filter?

Has anyone calculated the filter area capacity/area between those two?

Or any reason not to run the smaller diameter filter but longer filter ( I think for a 2011 3.7 engine)?
It fits a bit easier on my engine.

Yes, I did that long ago on here. You can search for my post.

 

[Zoe Saldana]

Something better.....View attachment 583936

Thanks,
Carquest Extended Performance (EP) oil filters are manufactured by MANN+HUMMEL, who also owns Purolator. They are designed for synthetic oil, providing protection for up to 10,000 to 20,000 miles depending on the specific model. These filters feature a high-quality, synthetic blend media designed to be a durable alternative to OEM brands. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]

• Manufacturer: Mann+Hummel (since they took over from previous suppliers).
• Performance: The Extended Performance (EP) line is designed to compete with high-end synthetic filters, often compared to the Purolator Boss and offering high efficiency, sometimes rated as 99.5% at 20 microns.

 

[Yardbird]

It might be this hour long video from a year ago with the Donaldson Filtration guy, that discussed particle size vs engine wear and life expectency. Anyway, for modern engine clearances, the particle size range is 3-20 microns that will cause wear, depending what the "particle" is. You can take something like 100,000 miles off a 200,000 mile engine running a rock catcher oil and air filter in a dusty area (silicon sand particles are abrasive like grinding wheels) constantly.

Bigger particles can't get into the machine clearance space, smaller particles pass through the space. So filters with crappy filtration efficiency below 20 micron aren't doing much good, is the point.

So the point is, try to use a high efficiency filter that has enough surface area not to plug and go into bypass before your oil change interval. Use a synthetic media, because it has less flow restriction due to more uniform media pore size.

And always replace the filter with the oil because you don't know when it is full of dirt. The only way to know is a differential pressure meter that tells you when the filter needs to be changed. They use those on higher value machines.

DIRTY Filters Are BETTER Filters + BYPASS Filters EXPLAINED

We are joined by the guys at Donaldson Filters for deeper dive into air, fuel and oil filters.RELATED VIDEO LINKS:Air Filters - https://youtu.be/0flEIBOTYrEF...

www.youtube.com

This has me questioning using the Mobil 1 I bought for the wife's car that efficiency is rated at 30 microns.