Payload

[Jlock]

Pretty sure I know answer just confirming we have a 2019 ram 2500 pay load capacity of 2341 saw a fifthwheel today says hitch weight 2340 is that empty or loaded ? To much for my truck ?

 

[crash68]

saw a fifthwheel today says hitch weight 2340 is that empty or loaded ?

That is most likely a "dry weight" which is just the trailer with no extras. Some manufacturers don't include things like the batteries and propane tanks in the dry weight listings of trailers.
Just a note with toy haulers, their pin weight is usually heavier while unloaded as they anticipate some of the load behind the trailer axles.

 

[rzr6-4]

You might end up with the front getting lighter as you load it but the way our old camper was, the storage was all up front so it made the tongue heavier, or we put stuff in the bed of the truck, which also counts against your payload.

I am far from being the payload police, if I already had the camper and already had the truck and was like "oh s--- I didn't realize how heavy this was" I would probly still run it, just carefully. That said, I don't think I would go into that situation intentionally, knowing that my capacity was already borderline.

 

[Fake-Account27]

Its likely empty, though it will often included full propane tanks and a battery. At least my TT did and this was clearly stated on the hitch weight sticker.

2300 lbs payload on your truck is to low for all but the smallest 5th wheels.

 

[nlambert182]

Take the GVWR of that 5th wheel and multiply that x 20%. That is the likely hitch weight that you could expect to see if you fully load up the trailer.

Take your truck payload number and subtract the weight of any aftermarket accessories, the passengers, the fifth wheel hitch, and any other cargo in the truck. The number remaining is your available payload.

If your available payload is less than the potential pin weight, I'd pass. Definitely wouldn't do it on purpose.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Pretty sure I know answer just confirming we have a 2019 ram 2500 pay load capacity of 2341 saw a fifthwheel today says hitch weight 2340 is that empty or loaded ? To much for my truck ?

They always list the pin/tongue weight empty as they have no idea how much cargo you're going to stuff in there.

 

[nlambert182]

Yes... and this is the bane of many an rv'ers existence and disdain for dealerships and rv salesmen. They advertise this dry weight like it's gospel and the unassuming consumer runs with it. Salemen often don't even know the difference and you'll get a "Yea, your truck will tow this just fine!" response 9 times out of 10.

Every RV dealer and manufacturer advertises dry weight and empty pin/tongue weight. Never go by those numbers. They should advertise the GVWR and that applicable pin/tongue weight so that people can prepare for what it could weigh and buy accordingly. Doesn't mean you need to load it to max capacity, but it's really misleading to the unassuming person.

Same for vehicle manufacturers, though.... They advertise the payload for a unicorn truck that most can't/won't buy to make it seem like these trucks will tow mountains.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Yes... and this is the bane of many an rv'ers existence and disdain for dealerships and rv salesmen. They advertise this dry weight like it's gospel and the unassuming consumer runs with it. Salemen often don't even know the difference and you'll get a "Yea, your truck will tow this just fine!" response 9 times out of 10.

Every RV dealer and manufacturer advertises dry weight and empty pin/tongue weight. Never go by those numbers. They should advertise the GVWR and that applicable pin/tongue weight so that people can prepare for what it could weigh and buy accordingly. Doesn't mean you need to load it to max capacity, but it's really misleading to the unassuming person.

Same for vehicle manufacturers, though.... They advertise the payload for a unicorn truck that most can't/won't buy to make it seem like these trucks will tow mountains.

Hey, I happen to have one of those unicorn trucks.

 

[nlambert182]

Yes, you do! I passed a 2015-2016 F350 single cab dually XL with a 6.7 Powerstroke on the way to visit my son in college this past Saturday. I instantly said unicorn out loud, and my wife was clueless. Haven't seen one of those around here in quite some time.

 

[Jlock]

Take the GVWR of that 5th wheel and multiply that x 20%. That is the likely hitch weight that you could expect to see if you fully load up the trailer.

Take your truck payload number and subtract the weight of any aftermarket accessories, the passengers, the fifth wheel hitch, and any other cargo in the truck. The number remaining is your available payload.

If your available payload is less than the potential pin weight, I'd pass. Definitely wouldn't do it on purpose.

Does my gawr affect it at all at 6040lbs

 

[nlambert182]

Not really... The payload calculation is based off of multiple factors, one of which is the GAWR.

There's a little bit of a buffer in the payload number, so you can be a little over on payload and still beneath the rear axle weight rating. You also need to understand that all of the axle weight ratings aren't available. You have to subtract the weight of the truck from that number. There's roughly 1/2 of the weight rating occupied by the truck. So the reality is you're probably looking at around 3k lbs of available axle capacity. A scale would tell the real tale.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Yes, you do! I passed a 2015-2016 F350 single cab dually XL with a 6.7 Powerstroke on the way to visit my son in college this past Saturday. I instantly said unicorn out loud, and my wife was clueless. Haven't seen one of those around here in quite some time.

A few months ago I saw either a 2500 or a 3500 with a regular cab LB, newer model. I wanted to turn around and follow the guy to ask him what made him choose that model but there was too much traffic.

 

[stevenP]

I had a 3500 I traded in on this fancy 2500 I have now. What a mistake. This 2500 I have now has such a low load capacity number (2080) its shocking, especially with the diesel option. That load number is very low for an HD truck, and very hard to argue with. Took a walk thru the local camp grounds yesterday. Saw a 2500 like mine, towing a full profile large Montana fifth wheel unit. I will guarantee that pin weight had to be almost 3k.

 

[nlambert182]

2500s are perfect for what they're designed to tow.... they work well on goosenecks and on travel trailers. It's the fixed weight that creates a problem for them. They're just not designed for heavy fifth wheels.

 

[06 Dodge]

I had a 3500 I traded in on this fancy 2500 I have now. What a mistake. This 2500 I have now has such a low load capacity number (2080) its shocking, especially with the diesel option. That load number is very low for an HD truck, and very hard to argue with. Took a walk thru the local camp grounds yesterday. Saw a 2500 like mine, towing a full profile large Montana fifth wheel unit. I will guarantee that pin weight had to be almost 3k.

The higher the trim level the lower your payload will be due to the fact its needs hundreds of feet of copper wire to run all the gadgets that the higher trims have, all that copper wire & gadgets adds weight very quickly thus lowering your payload along with running board, fender flairs etc.....

 

[nlambert182]

Agreed. Now add in the heavier seats, all of the extra modules, etc... and they're just heavy pigs. If you really want a high end trim level AND a high payload capacity you're pretty much limited to a 3500.

 

[Ramfanski]

Gasser 2500’s have better payloads. If you want a diesel and payload, 3500…

 

[Mlarv5]

As some of you know I have a F150 as well as a Ram. The towing capacity on the F150 is easy to figure out. Ford has a towing calculator, you put your vin in, and it tells you what weights you can tow, minus the weight of the add ons on your truck. Here is my results

 

[stevenP]

That is a really neat tool to figure out what the payload would be. Wonder how many truck owners actually use it?

 

[nlambert182]

It's cool that Ford offers that, but there are also other sites that give you the same calculator for those who are struggling with the numbers and who don't drive a Ford. Sometimes I wonder why folks don't just use those versus just winging it or arguing about it on a forum.