Payload

[Aries75]

It baffles me how if I put three other regular adults and the average my size 230lbs. That I will be at lease less than 300lbs to my payload capacity. Its hard to believe that I wouldn't be able to use the bed of my truck or hitch for anything if I was gonna do any serious tailgaiting or to hook up a TT. WTH does a family of 5 do if they are in 1/2 ton. I know they are not running out buying a 2500. Just my frustrations with these numbers.

 

[crash_eco]

I loaded up the wife, kids, cinder blocks. food, and a loaded 30' TT, my 1/2 ton towed it just fine. I have a weight distribution hitch and an anti-sway bar.

If i was towing it on a regular basis, I would airbag the rear.

 

[Csanders1992]

I loaded up the wife, kids, cinder blocks. food, and a loaded 30' TT, my 1/2 ton towed it just fine. I have a weight distribution hitch and an anti-sway bar.

If i was towing it on a regular basis, I would airbag the rear.

That wasn't his point. His point is if he has a cab full of adults he is almost at payload, which means by law his truck is almost over weight. It's not that the truck couldn't handle because it will.


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[Aries75]

I loaded up the wife, kids, cinder blocks. food, and a loaded 30' TT, my 1/2 ton towed it just fine. I have a weight distribution hitch and an anti-sway bar.

If i was towing it on a regular basis, I would airbag the rear.

Yea. they are making the trucks more for families now but not giving you no payload. I think my truck can handle a little more that 1261#.

 

[6.7CumminsDrvr]

My frustrations as well. Mine is a '14 and has 100 lbs less GVWR (6800 lbs per the sticker, '15 and up are 6900 and/or 6950) yet the trucks are exactly the same mechanically.

 

[14hemiexpress]

My frustrations as well. Mine is a '14 and has 100 lbs less GVWR (6800 lbs per the sticker, '15 and up are 6900 and/or 6950) yet the trucks are exactly the same mechanically.

Well it depends on your configueration. My 14 is 4wd and it has the 6900gvw. I know the big horn/ lonestar with the 8speed, 2wd also has the 6900gvw for 14, and for the 6950 that's reserved for the ecodiesel.

To OP I understand your pain. But 5 guys at 230 each is 1150. If I'm not mistaken ram gives you 150 for a driver(who really weighs 150) but that leaves you at 1000lbs so unless you have a larmie your looking at 500lbs for hitch weight ish it all depends on your configueration. And by your picture of looks like you do have a larmie so your crippled by the heavy interior. If you had a 2wdbig horn you would be looking at a payload of 1700 range. Giving you 700 for hitch weight or items in the bed.

 

[crash_eco]

That wasn't his point. His point is if he has a cab full of adults he is almost at payload, which means by law his truck is almost over weight. It's not that the truck couldn't handle because it will.


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I wasn't thinking in reference to the laws. Up here we're exempt from scales for a TT.

 

[14hemiexpress]

I wasn't thinking in reference to the laws. Up here we're exempt from scales for a TT.

What happens if there is a accident? Will Canada prosecute you for being over weight? If the manufactures limits arent the limits where is the line? Not trying to be rude but where does it end? 15k fifth wheel behind a 1/2 ton?

 

[crash_eco]

What happens if there is a accident? Will Canada prosecute you for being over weight? If the manufactures limits arent the limits where is the line? Not trying to be rude but where does it end? 15k fifth wheel behind a 1/2 ton?

You have to use common sense. You think tossing a 230lb guy in the backseat puts you over weight and unsafe. Tell them to drive themselves.

 

[Padilen]

You have to use common sense. .

Who has this anymore?

 

[crash_eco]

Who has this anymore?

We used to have a "common sense man" poster at work. On it was "common sense, so rare it's like a super power"

We had to take it down. I'm pretty sure someone without it was offended. Ha

 

[smurfs_of_war]

It baffles me how if I put three other regular adults and the average my size 230lbs. That I will be at lease less than 300lbs to my payload capacity. Its hard to believe that I wouldn't be able to use the bed of my truck or hitch for anything if I was gonna do any serious tailgaiting or to hook up a TT. WTH does a family of 5 do if they are in 1/2 ton. I know they are not running out buying a 2500. Just my frustrations with these numbers.

This is (was) a major sore spot. Unfortunately- yes, some of us did begrudgingly buy a 2500 for this. The ONLY reason we did was because the deal was right and we will soon be passing into areas where the GVWR does matter and can possibly be checked at safety stops.

Just for an idea of the weight game- My '13 Laramie had a payload of 960lbs. My last weigh in before we bought the 2500 was 8411 lbs on the two truck axles. That was a full 1600lbs + over GVWR. That was the last of it. The centre of the wheels were so hot I couldn't touch them- I could smell them when we stopped for a potty break.

5 big people in the cab, tongue weight and junk in the bed. I loved that 1500 but they are made like tinker toys now. If I didn't have all my kids and their associated junk, I would have never parted with it.

 

[14hemiexpress]

You have to use common sense. You think tossing a 230lb guy in the backseat puts you over weight and unsafe. Tell them to drive themselves.

I agree to this take 3 of them out gives you a extra 690lbs put them in there own car makes perfect sense. but what I am getting at is, what does being exempt from scales have anything to do with it?

 

[14hemiexpress]

You have to use common sense. You think tossing a 230lb guy in the backseat puts you over weight and unsafe. Tell them to drive themselves.

I agree to this. If you take 3 of them out gives you a extra 690lbs put them in there own car makes perfect sense. but what I am getting at is, what does being exempt from scales have anything to do with it?

 

[mtofell]

Manufacturers are in a bit of a tough spot because people want trucks to drive like Cadillacs and there is really no way to have a nice soft ride and high load carrying capacity. At least not at a price point consumers are willing to pay.

Unfortunately for consumers the TV ads boasting huge 10K tow ratings sell a lot of trucks. It's not until the consumer goes to actually use the truck that they realize the limitations. So, what do people do? I went to a 3/4 ton with a 3000# payload rating so I can tow pretty much any TT made and still have room leftover for firewood, people and 10 bags of concrete if I'm so inclined

The downside is I suffer through a bumpy ride.

 

[drittal]

Same point,

A 2500 diesel crew cab has around 2100-2200 payload and 17,000lb tow capacity.

 

[Jerry1984]

This and my short 5'7" bed are why I double tow when towing my tt. Probably close to payload or slightly over but with the stock air ride you would never know it. Tows great.
Me 230
Wife 130
11 year old 90
2 year old 40
Dog 130
Crf 80 ~250
Tt hitch ~500
1370. So not too far over.
4500 pound tt
With atv trailer behind it at ~1500
Only thing I could ask for is better mpg.

 

[clh1220]

Things are changing, I go on a dealers lot and it's full of cc 5ft beds. The qc are slim Pickens. The cc 5ft beds are the new suv.

 

[cptwing]

Same point,

A 2500 diesel crew cab has around 2100-2200 payload and 17,000lb tow capacity.

Even that seems very screwy? To get into a trailer that heavy you generally are looking at a fiver or a gooseneck. A properly loaded out fiver should have between 15 and 20% pin weight. So on the low end of that figure 17,000lb x .15=2550lb you are already 350lbs overweight no one or anything in the truck. At 20% or 3400lbs you would be 1200lbs over with no one or anything in the truck. If you are using a pintel hitch at 10% tongue weight or 1700lbs, now you can take maybe one or two paasengers (weight depending) and little or nothing else.

So in reality what do you have?

 

[drittal]

Even that seems very screwy? To get into a trailer that heavy you generally are looking at a fiver or a gooseneck. A properly loaded out fiver should have between 15 and 20% pin weight. So on the low end of that figure 17,000lb x .15=2550lb you are already 350lbs overweight no one or anything in the truck. At 20% or 3400lbs you would be 1200lbs over with no one or anything in the truck. If you are using a pintel hitch at 10% tongue weight or 1700lbs, now you can take maybe one or two paasengers (weight depending) and little or nothing else.

So in reality what do you have?

A half ton that tows really, really well. Lol.

I aggravate some on rv forums when I soap box that 2500 diesels are not the right choice for most fifth wheel campers. Just not enough payload.