"ported" TB- WAIT

[Saltillo Express]

I'm struggling a bit with this throttle body thing. I picked up a ported TB that supposed to be 87 mm. Put it on a stock '13 hemi ram. No flash no headers none of that. Just bone stock. There's no difference. At all. I mean 12-15hp you should be able to feel, even off idle, one would think. I read post after post where it's like "opening the barn door". Not here. What am I missing? I've added the superduper CAI the Varaam - same deal. Where's it at? This ain't my first rodeo either - there is no way in hell these two mods are adding 42 horsepower. Maybe at redline where no one drives 99% of the time. Disappointed.

 

[Darkflow]

You need to tune for the mods to really feel a difference. The VaraRam works best the faster you go. You should have felt your throttle response be just a little better with the TB tho. At least when I put my TB on I noticed my throttle was a little better off the line but that's it.

Untuned you don't get the advertised hp gains.

 

[bloombloom88]

I noticed significantly better throttle response with my throttle body but I also had my tuner when I installed it. I agree with darkflow

 

[charonblk07]

The '87mm' is the initial throat diameter, it tapers down to the oem 80mm butterfly diameter. All a ported TB does is smooth out the inlet throat to create a better transition from your intake tube to the throttle body. Even by the pics you have posted, you can see a difference in the thickness of the body at the front lip. As for the 12-15hp claims, I've always called BS on them but I'm a very small minority in the community. You'd be laughed out of the shop if you told the guys on LXF that you put a ported TB on your LX. The throttle body will be the last restriction in your system but because there were so few mods for the trucks when the tuning was locked any mod was a good mod.

Also, you can NEVER just add stated hp gains together, if that were the case, a CAI, exhaust, and programmer would be adding 50hp to your ride, realistically on the highest octane tune you'd be seeing 25-30hp at the wheels.

The vararam is better at speed, just like anything that goes for a ram air effect but I would rather have a short ram intake when it comes to making power. I won't even get into the vararam power chamber that is supposed to add 12-15hp, they even have a dyno sheet to prove it! The vararam owners can start flaming me anytime, I brought my bunker gear.

 

[Lhemi]

I'm struggling a bit with this throttle body thing. I picked up a ported TB that supposed to be 87 mm. Put it on a stock '13 hemi ram. No flash no headers none of that. Just bone stock. There's no difference. At all. I mean 12-15hp you should be able to feel, even off idle, one would think. I read post after post where it's like "opening the barn door". Not here. What am I missing? I've added the superduper CAI the Varaam - same deal. Where's it at? This ain't my first rodeo either - there is no way in hell these two mods are adding 42 horsepower. Maybe at redline where no one drives 99% of the time. Disappointed.

I am right there with you, I even ran faster times with my bone stock TB and a Volant Fast Fit intake.
I do love the Wow factor when I pop the hood, and I do feel my truck pulling harder at 60+ mph, but from the rip, nope nothing.
I'm hoping that after I up-grade to a DS + hemi fever + headers everything ties together for the holy **** factor....

 

[Bully's Performance]

The '87mm' is the initial throat diameter, it tapers down to the oem 80mm butterfly diameter. All a ported TB does is smooth out the inlet throat to create a better transition from your intake tube to the throttle body. Even by the pics you have posted, you can see a difference in the thickness of the body at the front lip. As for the 12-15hp claims, I've always called BS on them but I'm a very small minority in the community. You'd be laughed out of the shop if you told the guys on LXF that you put a ported TB on your LX. The throttle body will be the last restriction in your system but because there were so few mods for the trucks when the tuning was locked any mod was a good mod.

Also, you can NEVER just add stated hp gains together, if that were the case, a CAI, exhaust, and programmer would be adding 50hp to your ride, realistically on the highest octane tune you'd be seeing 25-30hp at the wheels.

The vararam is better at speed, just like anything that goes for a ram air effect but I would rather have a short ram intake when it comes to making power. I won't even get into the vararam power chamber that is supposed to add 12-15hp, they even have a dyno sheet to prove it! The vararam owners can start flaming me anytime, I brought my bunker gear.

Couldn't agree more, after doing a lot of research on different things, and re learning everything I thought I used to know the Short Ram Intakes hands down are best for performance regardless of what some (including myself used to think)

Do your research everyone, find Dyno's that aren't done by manufacturers/dealers/resellers and are done on a RPM scale not a "MPH" scale, research air velocity, and restriction, flow, etc, etc, and you will see , also another note the more air you put into an engine the more power that can be created, however to get the most power you will need to be able to get that extra air out just as efficient, so headers and a free flowing exhaust when paired with PTB's and CAI's with good air velocity and minimal heat soak will work very well together, these mods individually will do a little but to work best really need to be paired together, and then of coarse a decent tune will bring it all together even better.

JMO (and a lot of others as well that aren't caught up in current hype and false Dyno's)

 

[lonewolf2873]

Good advise right there. Thanks for chiming in bully.
Wish the ability to tune the '14 was there. I'm ready to start modding and tuning is the restricting factor right now.

 

[DavidRam]

Agreed. I initially was disappointed with each individual mod because my expectations were high due to the "advertised gains."

Pretty much the same disappointment I felt when I first tried a "male enhancement" pill. My day did NOT turn out like the commercial. Lol!

The real noticeable difference came with the combination of the mods and tuner. I wish companies would sell a complete package with dynos to verify the gains - a package deal that included the proven best mods when combined: CAI, TB, 180 tstat, headers, exhaust, tuner, etc..

That would really help rookies like me get it right the first time.

 

[Darkflow]

Good advise right there. Thanks for chiming in bully.
Wish the ability to tune the '14 was there. I'm ready to start modding and tuning is the restricting factor right now.

Buy the mods you want now. Keep them in the garage if you don't want to install, then when tuning becomes available. Install and tune it all up at once.

Stuff like a CAI, TB, 180% thermostat, even exhaust work (catback or muffler swap) aren't going to really hurt the truck. You just won't have the best performance out of it all. Mine was untuned for a few months with all that & ran fine. You may see a loss in mpg though.

 

[Lhemi]

Agreed. I initially was disappointed with each individual mod because my expectations were high due to the "advertised gains."

Pretty much the same disappointment I felt when I first tried a "male enhancement" pill. My day did NOT turn out like the commercial. Lol!

The real noticeable difference came with the combination of the mods and tuner. I wish companies would sell a complete package with dynos to verify the gains - a package deal that included the proven best mods when combined: CAI, TB, 180 tstat, headers, exhaust, tuner, etc..

That would really help rookies like me get it right the first time.

(Note to self, cancel order for male enhancement pill)

 

[Saltillo Express]

Appreciate the nice comments guys. Glad I'm not the only one.

Incidentally - have you all seen the ****** commercial where the guy is an a Ram 4x4 pulling a horse trailer in the mud. It's spinning the back tires but not the front. So INSTEAD OF LOCKING IN THE HUBS, he gets the horses out and pulls the truck and trailer out with the horses?

Every time it comes on TV I find myself screaming at the TV - "LOCK IN THE HUBS!!! LOCK IN THE HUBS!!!!

 

[Lhemi]

All that blood flow caused him to loose his short term memory...

 

[audio1der]

You're not alone at all.
If it wouldn't be such a waste of $$ I'd remove all my mods except the muffler and catch can and sell'em. I'm too nervous about getting a tuner and custom tune (warranty, driveability, electronics) to make use of the sum of the parts.

 

[popcenator]

Have you reset the computer since putting it on? I'm not at all saying it'll magically fix anything, but that's what I usually do immediately after installing something that's suppose to increase airflow. I can say that I definitely feel the difference between my Vararam/87 TB and putting the stock intake system back on. In my case though, I have the wrong muffler on currently so any increase in airflow I think is being choked off by the smaller diameter muffler inlet.

 

[Ramguy65]

Good advise right there. Thanks for chiming in bully.
Wish the ability to tune the '14 was there. I'm ready to start modding and tuning is the restricting factor right now.

Diablosport Trinity and Intune support the 14's. Just ordered one for mine from Bullys.

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[Ramguy65]

I had a 14" Maggy, S&B intake, Superchips and an 85mm TB and dropped a good 2 sec off my 0-60

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[lonewolf2873]

Diablosport Trinity and Intune support the 14's. Just ordered one for mine from Bullys.

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I was under impression only the 8-Speeds. I'm rocking a 6-Speed.
I have to bring in for replacement seat cushion and intermittent cruise control not being able to turn on. Nice for a 4 week old truck.

Sorry for minor thread jack.

 

[Ramguy65]

I was under impression only the 8-Speeds. I'm rocking a 6-Speed.
I have to bring in for replacement seat cushion and intermittent cruise control not being able to turn on. Nice for a 4 week old truck.

Sorry for minor thread jack.

Yes you are right. It is only the 8 speeds. Sorry to hear about your issues. Have had mine about a month and a half and no issues so far. Probably just jinxed myself. Lol.

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[Lhemi]

I had a 14" Maggy, S&B intake, Superchips and an 85mm TB and dropped a good 2 sec off my 0-60

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With these mods you dropped a full 2 seconds off your 0-60? Wow has anyone else gotten results like that with a couple bolt on's?

 

[lonewolf2873]

^^^^^^^^^^^Ya what he said!