Slide-in camper

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I'm wanting to get a slide-in camper, but I know that my 2018 PW won't carry one safely (according to the manual). Rather than trade-in the PW, can I reasonably upgrade the suspension to be able to carry the slide-in? The one I'm looking at is about 2000 pounds. Or, is it easier to get a 2500 or 3500? I'd rather hold on to the PW, but I want it to drive safely on the highway with that weight.
Get a 3500 longbed for the camper. The leafs are more stable and easier to strengthen for the load and the long wheelbase affords a better load balance on the chassis. It'll track better. You won't have that huge difference in axle weights as you do with a shortbed.
 

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Thank you all very much for these comments. Looks like the consensus is new truck to be safe. I like the Hawk too and it's a good weight for the PW, but we want a slide in with shower and toilet--the Hawk doesn't offer that. One poster is correct, 2000 lbs is light. After we looked more, the weight on the ones we're really interested in are in 3000 to 3500 pound range. I guess if we go this route I'll trade the PW. Interestingly, I think EVERYBODY on the planet wants one right now because the lead time is long. In fact, the lead time on the Hawk is 1 year! These things are super pricey too! The range we're looking at is 35 to 50,000 dollars! We will start looking for used ones.

At over 3000 pounds dry you are in SRW 3500 territory.
 

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I’m at 9,450 dry with my Hawk and all other mods I’ve done with mine. Thuren/Daystar/AirLift/King suspension. I tow a 6,500 boat at times with it too in AZ. Does fine, but IMHO the brakes are a limiting factor as they are somewhat lackluster in the first place. For the camper that the op is talking about, I’d want a dually. Remember folks other than the radius arms and springs/shock extended length, it is a RAM 2500. Period.
 

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The big benefit of going with a 3500 is not only getting the rear leaf springs, but the fact that the leafs are mounted much wider than where the coils on a 2500 are mounted. I think that makes a big difference.
 

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The big benefit of going with a 3500 is not only getting the rear leaf springs, but the fact that the leafs are mounted much wider than where the coils on a 2500 are mounted. I think that makes a big difference.

It does. Quite a bit.
 

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The big benefit of going with a 3500 is not only getting the rear leaf springs, but the fact that the leafs are mounted much wider than where the coils on a 2500 are mounted. I think that makes a big difference.

The coil springs being mounted more inward is what makes the 2500 more flexible for airbags. The airbags mount between the coil springs and the wheel which basically puts the load bearing point on the frame/axle even wider than the 3500's leaf springs. You can buy a 5000# airbag kit from Etrailer.com for $350.00. That doesn't include an air compressor, of course, but it includes 2 airbags, plumbing and mounting hardware. Their airbags also have internal bump-stops that act like overtravel stops and assist the sway bars in the even you start to tip. It's a lot cheaper than upgrading to a 3500. Also, that 3500 isn't going to get you where you want to take a slide-in camper. The whole point of a slide-in is to go further into the woods (off road) and camp off grid. Just upgrade the stock "D" range tires to a good "E" range. Going bigger diameter with the tires can help with load capacity. Seriously, these factory
 

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Well, I have a different opinion from most of the replies to this thread. I have a 2014 Palomino HS-2902 slide-in camper that has a slide out that I put in the back of my 2018 PW. This camper is designed for 3/4T and up trucks with 6.5' beds. It weighs 3,300lbs dry. That's more weight than the PW supposedly can carry in the bed. By the time you fill the water tanks, supplies, and people it is tipping 4000lbs!! I'm usually towing a boat/trailer or side-by-side/trailer which adds another 500 pounds of tongue weight! I have NO PROBLEMS!! However, I made some simple (cheap) upgrades that don't affect the daily drivability of the truck. I installed a set of airbag/airsprings rated at 5,000lbs (should be standard equipment) in the back for under $350...:2018 Ram 2500 Vehicle Suspension - Air Lift (etrailer.com). PROBLEM SOLVED! I'm also running 35" tires with an "E" load range. I bought this truck for the purpose of putting a slide-in camper and camping off the grid. I knew up front it was limited in payload capacity and I made the upgrades to handle it. I do not have any stability issues! I simply air up the air bags to level the truck out and that depends mostly on what trailer I'm pulling. There is no concern with the rest of the truck. The frame and axles are the same as a 1 ton with singles in the back. So your only limitation is the tires and springs. I went with a stiffer sidewall tire and airsprings to mitigate the top-heavy induced swaying caused by the camper. I love it! I would never consider upgrading to a 3500. I'll challenge any 3500 with a slide-in to follow me OFF ROAD!
 

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The coil springs being mounted more inward is what makes the 2500 more flexible for airbags. The airbags mount between the coil springs and the wheel which basically puts the load bearing point on the frame/axle even wider than the 3500's leaf springs. You can buy a 5000# airbag kit from Etrailer.com for $350.00. That doesn't include an air compressor, of course, but it includes 2 airbags, plumbing and mounting hardware. Their airbags also have internal bump-stops that act like overtravel stops and assist the sway bars in the even you start to tip. It's a lot cheaper than upgrading to a 3500. Also, that 3500 isn't going to get you where you want to take a slide-in camper. The whole point of a slide-in is to go further into the woods (off road) and camp off grid. Just upgrade the stock "D" range tires to a good "E" range. Going bigger diameter with the tires can help with load capacity. Seriously, these factory


Agreed. I have been running the 5000 bags with internal bumpstops for 4 years on my power wagon. I have been impressed with them.
 

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Well, I have a different opinion from most of the replies to this thread. I have a 2014 Palomino HS-2902 slide-in camper that has a slide out that I put in the back of my 2018 PW. This camper is designed for 3/4T and up trucks with 6.5' beds. It weighs 3,300lbs dry. That's more weight than the PW supposedly can carry in the bed. By the time you fill the water tanks, supplies, and people it is tipping 4000lbs!! I'm usually towing a boat/trailer or side-by-side/trailer which adds another 500 pounds of tongue weight! I have NO PROBLEMS!! However, I made some simple (cheap) upgrades that don't affect the daily drivability of the truck. I installed a set of airbag/airsprings rated at 5,000lbs (should be standard equipment) in the back for under $350...:2018 Ram 2500 Vehicle Suspension - Air Lift (etrailer.com). PROBLEM SOLVED! I'm also running 35" tires with an "E" load range. I bought this truck for the purpose of putting a slide-in camper and camping off the grid. I knew up front it was limited in payload capacity and I made the upgrades to handle it. I do not have any stability issues! I simply air up the air bags to level the truck out and that depends mostly on what trailer I'm pulling. There is no concern with the rest of the truck. The frame and axles are the same as a 1 ton with singles in the back. So your only limitation is the tires and springs. I went with a stiffer sidewall tire and airsprings to mitigate the top-heavy induced swaying caused by the camper. I love it! I would never consider upgrading to a 3500. I'll challenge any 3500 with a slide-in to follow me OFF ROAD!

If you didn't get your truck re-certified for the weight, you're not legal. While you may never have an issue with it, the possibility is there that in the event of an accident, even if it isn't your fault, you could end up being liable for a LOT of damages due to your truck being overloaded by the sticker - insurance companies LOVE to get out of paying.

To each their own, and while I agree that modifications CAN be made to make it work, if you don't take all the proper steps you're opening yourself up for a LOT of liability.
 
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Thank you all for the additional comments. I'm a bit of a stickler for making sure everything complies with the law. I really don't need to be liable for damaging from overloading the truck. Actually, I've been looking into the Ram Powermaster vans to convert into a camper. I wish they came in 4WD, but I do like them. It would be a cheaper alternative for me. I could essentially make an even trade (PW for the van).
 

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Being a little of a devil's advocate here. While I agree there should be some consideration in regards to the legal payload capacity of the truck, does anybody have any first or even second hand experience with legal issues? I always hear people state it's illegal and you could be held liable, etc, etc....but have never heard any real examples. I'm not talking about getting pulled over at a weigh station because you are pulling a commercial hotshot car hauler, but I'm talking about somebody getting pulled over in their private pickup truck that is hauling a slide-in camper or was somehow involved in an accident? Let's think about it, if you cause an accident on the freeway and somebody else gets hurt you are liable and responsible for that regardless of the payload. So if you kill a bus full of nuns are you somehow in the clear as long as you weren't over the payload rating of the truck? Do you get sued more or less based on the payload you are carrying? In regards to the comment that states even if you didn't cause the accident you could get in trouble if you are over payload. It's not like the other party's insurance company can come in and simply say "well, you were over the payload rating of the truck so our client is not responsible" and the judge strikes the hammer and says case dismissed. They would have to somehow prove that you being overloaded was the actual reason for the accident and not the actions of their client.
 

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Being a little of a devil's advocate here. While I agree there should be some consideration in regards to the legal payload capacity of the truck, does anybody have any first or even second hand experience with legal issues? I always hear people state it's illegal and you could be held liable, etc, etc....but have never heard any real examples. I'm not talking about getting pulled over at a weigh station because you are pulling a commercial hotshot car hauler, but I'm talking about somebody getting pulled over in their private pickup truck that is hauling a slide-in camper or was somehow involved in an accident? Let's think about it, if you cause an accident on the freeway and somebody else gets hurt you are liable and responsible for that regardless of the payload. So if you kill a bus full of nuns are you somehow in the clear as long as you weren't over the payload rating of the truck? Do you get sued more or less based on the payload you are carrying? In regards to the comment that states even if you didn't cause the accident you could get in trouble if you are over payload. It's not like the other party's insurance company can come in and simply say "well, you were over the payload rating of the truck so our client is not responsible" and the judge strikes the hammer and says case dismissed. They would have to somehow prove that you being overloaded was the actual reason for the accident and not the actions of their client.

I doubt many people have personal or semi-personal experience with it, BUT, the thought exercise is pretty simple. It's not even about getting sued or ending up with a ticket for it, it's more about opening yourself up for liability. If you're over your legal payload, and you are involved in an accident, if an involved insurance company finds out there is a high probability that they're going to wash their hands of your claim, even if the other person was at fault, because insurance companies LOVE to find a way not to pay.

So if we continue this exercise, you've now opened yourself up to at minimum not getting your stuff repaired unless you pay out of pocket. If you're operating your vehicle outside of its rated capabilities, regardless of its ACTUAL capabilities, and the other person finds out (even if they head-on hit you after crossing the centerline), they have grounds to sue on. You may win the case, you may not, depending on how the case plays out - sure, you never left your side of the road, they caused the accident, but YOUR vehicle being outside its rated capabilities CAN and WILL affect how well you could have avoided the accident.

The closest I can come to this isn't about being over payload, but a drinking and driving case. A friend of my dad's stopped at a bar one night after work, had a few drinks, and was driving home. He was going the right way, at the speed limit, on a one-way street. A car full of drunk kids turned the wrong way, speeding, leading to a head-on crash. Long story short a couple of the kids ended up dead. My dad's friend is the one who spent 8 years behind bars for it, simply because his blood alcohol level was higher than the survivors of the other car.

The man can no longer legally own firearms, and won't touch alcohol, because he made the choice to have a couple beers before going home.

It's not the same case, but the thought process is the same: do you really want to open yourself up to the liability?
 

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You have to remember a couple of things here...#1 is that IF things go bad you will be judged by 12 people that will likely have no idea what payload means and will rely on the testimony of an expert witness that will tell them that it is illegal and unsafe for that vehicle to be hauling that much weight. That's all they need to hear. #2 even if you win your case are you in good enough of a financial situation that spending $50,000-100,000 out of pocket for legal fees won't hurt you?
 

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It's funny how overloading a truck seems to be of great concern on this forum by not fully complying with the load capacity decal even with the addition of load range E tires and air bags. Yet under-inflating with larger tires from what is specified on the door sticker and ignoring or changing the TPMS low pressure parameter warnings doesn't even get a second thought with 35 inch tires.
 
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Armchair lawyering, almost as good as armchair quarterbacking.

  1. Read your insurance policy (not the little summary sheet or glossy brochure, the actual policy form). An insurance policy is a legal contract and coverage can only be denied within the specific terms of the contract.
  2. A dispute over insurance coverage is typically a question of contract interpretation, which is decided by a judge as a question of law
  3. Do not confuse criminal law and civil law. Speeding is against the law. If you crash while speeding, you might get a ticket but that does not mean you automatically lose your insurance coverage. But some states permit DUI coverage exclusions. So some unlawful acts can result in loss of coverage. See number 1 above.
  4. Overload v. unsafe. I'd argue that modifying your truck to accommodate a load demonstrates reasonableness, not an unlawful intent. However, choosing to operate your truck without modifications and knowing it is overweight could demonstrate gross negligence, but even then gross negligence is typical not sufficient to deny coverage.
  5. Comparative negligence. This varies by state, but the level of negligence of the parties involved in the accident is often used to assign fault. Like driving too fast for road conditions, having overly worn tires or brakes etc. driving overload could impact your level of negligence when assessing an accident, which could mean your insurance company may have to pay a larger percentage of the damages.
  6. Use common sense. If you're 1000 lbs over, it's unlikely the insurance company is going to drag your damaged vehicle to a truck scale to try and determine its pre-accident weight. If you're grossly overweight such that the vehicle is unsafe to drive, then you probably shouldnt be driving it regardless of insurance coverage.
 
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