Yeah, I Went Too Much....

[OC455]

Yup, my stupidity went a bit overboard when getting a load of stone today. Borrowed my brother's 14ft high side dump trailer.

3904lbs trailer 6 yards of pea gravel WAY TOO MUCH......

I went a short distance less than 6 miles. Still way too much. I looked up what a yard of pea gravel weighs on average (2600lbs.) Of course it starts raining....


Edit: Actual dump trailer empty weight is 3904lbs.....Gross is 14000lbs. Way over on everything. The load for that dump trailer is not to exceed 10096lbs.....holy sheez was I over.

 

[SniperDroid]

19,500 lbs. Might have been OK in the 3500, just a little over. The 5.7 would have been crying like a little girl.

 

[2003F350]

Yeah a tad more than you should have done, but hey, it did it, you weren't going far, so lesson learned?

 

[ramffml]

The 5.7 would have been crying like a little girl.

Not true at all. The 6.4 is only slightly more powerful than the 5.7 as tuned stock. Whatever the 6.4 can tow, the 5.7 is just a tiny bit behind when it comes to power output and getting loads moving.

Long term reliability when towing heavy loads with either engine, that's a completely different story. Obviously the 6.4 will handle a far bigger beating. But he only towed a couple miles, the 5.7 wouldn't complain anymore than the 6.4.

(Yeah I'm Just being particularly pedantic today.)

 

[SniperDroid]

Not true at all. The 6.4 is only slightly more powerful than the 5.7 as tuned stock. Whatever the 6.4 can tow, the 5.7 is just a tiny bit behind when it comes to power output and getting loads moving.

Long term reliability when towing heavy loads with either engine, that's a completely different story. Obviously the 6.4 will handle a far bigger beating. But he only towed a couple miles, the 5.7 wouldn't complain anymore than the 6.4.

(Yeah I'm Just being particularly pedantic today.)

What's the towing capacity and payload on your truck?

 

[ramffml]

What's the towing capacity and payload on your truck?

The 5.7 has 395 hp and 410 lb/ft of torque
The 6.4 has 410 hp and 430 lb/ft of torque

Very minor bump in power.

In any situation that the 5.7 is "crying like a girl" the 6.4 would be right at that point as well.

If your point is 1500 vs 3500 dually, that's a somewhat different discussion (obviously). But putting a 5.7 in a 3500 dually would have given very similar results with all else (transmission, rear axle ratio) being the same.

 

[SniperDroid]

You avoided my question.

 

[ramffml]

You avoided my question.

I'm not playing that game with you dude, your comment was "5.7 crying like a girl" which I proved by to you by showing you the power outputs, is incorrect.

A 5.7 will give only slightly worse results to a 6.4, all else in the truck being the same.

 

[SniperDroid]

Yeah, that's why you can't et a 5.7 in a real truck.

 

[TotallyHucked]

Yeah, that's why you can't et a 5.7 in a real truck.

So why even bring up the 5.7 in the first place then?

 

[Tulecreeper]

Yeah, that's why you can't et a 5.7 in a real truck.

Shame on you, ******. There's nothing wrong with a 1500-sized truck. I had one for many years and it was very good to me.

Edit: Apparntly, you can't use the word s-n-i-p-e-r or it does the **** thing. Someone needs to fix this idiocy.

 

[SniperDroid]

Shame on you, ******. There's nothing wrong with a 1500-sized truck. I had one for many years and it was very good to me.

Edit: Apparntly, you can't use the word s-n-i-p-e-r or it does the **** thing. Someone needs to fix this idiocy.

I'll take the shame for my opinion, it goes with being a conversationalist. Discussing ideas can be difficult at times, and I Never let Facts get in my way! Every 150/ 1500 I have owned was a disaster over time. Also, in my own defense, I have not read a single post by a 2500 or 3500 owner asking if they "can tow this OK?" Never mean to insult, or belittle. Just want folks to understand, sometimes you just don't have the truck you think you have. If I moved to 30 plus foot 5th wheel, I'd move to more truck, myself. P.S. I hate the auto edit myself, but I understand why it's there.

 

[ramffml]

Yeah, that's why you can't et a 5.7 in a real truck.

And now you're incorrect a second time. The 5.7 hemi was the base engine in 2500's and 3500's for years.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Never mean to insult, or belittle. Just want folks to understand, sometimes you just don't have the truck you think you have.

Boy, ain't that the truth. Can't tell you how many times I've read, "I have a 1500/150 and I can tow 12,000# because I have a 12,500# towing capacity. No, you can't and you don't. But good luck!

 

[yrraljguthrie]

For six miles the 5.7 will tow anything the 6.4 will with equal ease or distress. Both trucks would be overloaded in this case. But that wasn't the point. It is immaterial.

 

[SniperDroid]

And now you're incorrect a second time. The 5.7 hemi was the base engine in 2500's and 3500's for years.

We used to tow with teams of horses, too. Doesn't mean they were good, just means we didn't have anything BETTER at the time. Let's bookmark this argument for now, and continue it after they put the Hurricane in the 1500 and 2500 ! Those will be great!

 

[yrraljguthrie]

I'm quite sure a lot of folks are going to disagree, but there is not enough difference in the engine's HP and torque between a max powertrain 1500 and a max powertrain 3500 to account for the difference in towing capacity RAM advertises. Both will tow about the same. The 1500 will have problems with the frame and brakes sooner than the 3500. And RAM also specs the trucks to encourage upgrading. I have a 1500 and if I had a 12,500 lb. fifth wheel and I wanted to tow it twice a year 100 miles to the lake I would do so. Very unlikely to do any harm. In the late '60s and early '70s, the Chevy 350 had less than 250 hp. They put it in 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks.

 

[ramffml]

We used to tow with teams of horses, too. Doesn't mean they were good, just means we didn't have anything BETTER at the time. Let's bookmark this argument for now, and continue it after they put the Hurricane in the 1500 and 2500 ! Those will be great!

You keep changing the goal posts in this argument. The argument is:
- the 5.7 is just a few percent ( 4 to 5 percent) down on power vs the 6.4; whatever makes the 5.7 work hard, will also make the 6.4 work hard
- the 5.7 is also used in "real trucks" [sic].

Since you seem confused, the real difference between the 5.7 and 6.4 is not power, but durability. That's a completely separate argument, but that's not the argument you made initially.

 

[yrraljguthrie]

Superdroid why do you want to bookmark the discussion? I like to hear what ramffml has to say.

 

[rule18]

Shame on you, ******. There's nothing wrong with a 1500-sized truck. I had one for many years and it was very good to me.

Edit: Apparntly, you can't use the word s-n-i-p-e-r or it does the **** thing. Someone needs to fix this idiocy.

The "idiocy" that you are referring to is the automated software that pulls words based on a predetermined list. RamForum's owner put this in place quite some time ago. I understand that you're new here and may not have run into this yet. There's probably a better way for you to lodge a suggestion about a word that may not belong on the list.