Synthetic Oil

[Travis8352]

Thanks, Travis. Might have to look into this. Esp. if they have 0W-30 for the American Siberia.

I dont think they do. Maybe in a euro formula but ive no knowledge of then

 

[corneileous]

No Schaeffer's around here. They from Texas? I guess you get anything online now anyway.

I bought mine online from this JD Industrial Supply place in Grass Lake, Michigan.

How do they differ from Amsoil, do you know?

They’re a whole lot cheaper, that’s one thing.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Grass Lake? Sounds like near Upsala, or some such.

I'll check it out, thx.

 

[corneileous]

Grass Lake? Sounds like near Upsala, or some such.

I'll check it out, thx.

Yeah just click on the link and it’ll show you where they’re at but depending on what I decide to do in the next year, if I decide to go back to that Schaeffers I’m gonna look around and there should be a Napa or something close by that might sell that stuff because even though Amazon sells it, I don’t wanna have to pay close to $16 a quart for the stuff being that I know should be able to find it cheaper elsewhere.

 

[06 Dodge]

I bought mine online from this JD Industrial Supply place in Grass Lake, Michigan.

They’re a whole lot cheaper, that’s one thing.

What do the charge you to ship it? I know if you watch Amsoil web site they often have free shipping on orders over $75. I also noticed that Schaeffer's is a buck a Quart more then Amsoil top of the line 5w20 oil...

 

[corneileous]

What do the charge you to ship it? I know if you watch Amsoil web site they often have free shipping on orders over $75. I also noticed that Schaeffer's is a buck a Quart more then Amsoil top of the line 5w20 oil...

When I bought it last year they charged me about $20 to ship it which translated to about just under $70 for the oil which was still cheaper than Amsoil when I ordered the signature series 5W20. 7 quarts of that was just a little over 100 bucks even though they gave me “free shipping”.

I think they’re about as much free shipping as Apple is like here recently when I bought my new Apple Watch, I got it within two days that was ordered directly from Apple and they said the shipping was free… Lol.

But I guess if I buy anymore of that stuff, I won’t be going to that JD Industrial because I just went on their website and placed 7 quarts in the cart and entered my information and within one year, just the cost of the oil was almost 100 bucks and they wanted to charge $33 this time to ship it to me UPS Ground as opposed to the 20 bucks it cost me last time.

 

[1979PowerWagon360]

Has anyone used Quantum Blue oil or other automotive fluids? Just wondering. Manufacturer is on the chargerforums.com a lot and talks a lot of science regarding his products, especially oil. I honestly don't know what to think but he seems to know his stuff and presents proof, scientific that is. Alot of members support him, others not so much. I am running his coolant and usually his oil although I have Mobil1 in my 5.7 right now just because I needed it kind of quick and didn't want to wait for shipping.

Here's one thread. There are many. I don't know honestly if I'm wasting my money on this stuff or it's really superior.

Quantum Blue products.....I'm impressed!!

So I switched from Amsoil's 0-20W and wanted to try Quantum Blue's 7.5W-23W oil. I can already here a difference in how quieter the motor idles and revs. Thanks Bryan!! Prior you could here the Hemi tick at idle. Just got back from a 40 mile road trip. I also got some ACES IV and Quantum...

www.chargerforums.com

 

[1979PowerWagon360]

Here's another more controversial I guess

BND Quantum Blue v Mobile 1 Extended

Two year long experiment... remember this is one sample from each oil. Daytona nearly identical usage. Oil changed in the late fall, driven intermittently for a month and then sat for three months then driven on and off through spring, summer, and fall. Wildcard, two different analysis labs...

www.chargerforums.com

 

[HEMIMANN]

I dont think they do. Maybe in a euro formula but ive no knowledge of then

Nope, no 0W-30 from Schaeffer. Then again, Red Line is doing away with their API SN recipe too, so I guess that's a moot point.

I printed out the Technical Data Sheets for SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil for Schaeffer 9000 Series and Red Line High Performance Series.

I'm not going to type out all the data to compare since this software doesn't do charts. Remember, the published data is "typical" properties, without defined limits in most cases. In the one instance stated on Schaeffer's sheet, and in a VOA versus UOA analysis I've had done, the viscosity alone can vary +/- 10% from the "typical" value on the data sheet.

This said, Schaeffer 9000 appears similar to Red Line High Performance Motor Oil in 5W-30 EXCEPT:

Red Line has significantly lower NOACK (6) compared to Schaeffer (7.9), meaning Red Line evaporates less at any given temperature.

Red Line has significantly higher HTHS (3.7) compared to Schaeffer (3.32), meaning Red Line has higher film strength under load and operating temperature.

I suspect this is due to heavier use of polyol ester base oil (jet oil) in Red Line. It provides much higher thermal performance.

Interestingly, both oils have similar pour point temperatures, AND CCP viscosity @ -30C !!! They are also both heavily additized with soluble moly dry film lubricant to mitigate hemi tick liter roller and cam failure.

Schaeffer is cheaper right now by a dollar or two per quart.

End of report.

 

[ramffml]

I'm about to pull the plug on my current oil, would love to try the HPL.

Premium Plus Passenger Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ Premium Plus passenger car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. When compared with our other PCMO product lines this series takes advantage of high quality PAO delivering superb pour points as...

www.advlubrication.com

I'm thinking maybe the 0w-30. Any thoughts guys? I know it was discussed a month or two ago but seems like nobody has actually tried it and just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

(I tow in the summer, and do have some noise on cold startup so I'd prefer 0w unless HPL's 0w is really bad)

 

[HEMIMANN]

I'm about to pull the plug on my current oil, would love to try the HPL.

Premium Plus Passenger Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ Premium Plus passenger car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. When compared with our other PCMO product lines this series takes advantage of high quality PAO delivering superb pour points as...

www.advlubrication.com

I'm thinking maybe the 0w-30. Any thoughts guys? I know it was discussed a month or two ago but seems like nobody has actually tried it and just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

(I tow in the summer, and do have some noise on cold startup so I'd prefer 0w unless HPL's 0w is really bad)

Go for it...do a VOA and a UOA for us, if you can swing it. It's how I found RL to be so shear-stable.

HPL specs appeared similar to Amsoil, just don't know if they have enough moly for the Hemi drama queen. If they're using star polymer vii additive in the top two series, should be very shear stable.

 

[ramffml]

Go for it...do a VOA and a UOA for us, if you can swing it. It's how I found RL to be so shear-stable.

HPL specs appeared similar to Amsoil, just don't know if they have enough moly for the Hemi drama queen. If they're using star polymer vii additive in the top two series, should be very shear stable.

@Travis8352 has stated here that all their oils contain > 500ppm moly.

And this post on bitog from the HPL guy himself, shows their plain passenger oil VOA with 625:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/high-performance-lubricants-pcmo-series.344421/page-2#post-5857477

 

[HEMIMANN]

Old age forgetfulness!

Do it! I see it as basically a super-Amsoil with no supplemental Lube Gard Moly additive needed.

All you lose vs. Red Line is polyol ester base stocks you don't absolutely need for ultra high temp and metal-clinging.

I recall they only offer 0W-30 in PAO base oil in their Super Car oil series.

 

[ramffml]

Old age forgetfulness!

Do it! I see it as basically a super-Amsoil with no supplemental Lube Gard Moly additive needed.

All you lose vs. Red Line is polyol ester base stocks you don't absolutely need for ultra high temp and metal-clinging.

I recall they only offer 0W-30 in PAO base oil in their Super Car oil series.

Ok, so just to be clear (obviously I know nothing about this); if I get their passenger car premium plus with 0w-30, I get the "really good in cold temps" from the "plus" formulation, but since I tow and see temps of 230 to 250, doesn't that mean I need the "ultra high temp" you referred to?

This is the product page from HPL for their "plus" which I'm thinking of, that description looks great but I can't separate marketing from facts, hence the questions! It specifically mentions "superior high temperature stability", and does come in 0w-30

https://www.hplubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/PC-Premium-Plus-Engine-Oil-PDS.pdf

 

[HEMIMANN]

I don't recall the names of all four HPL motor oil series (the old age thing again), but when I discussed it with their guy on the phone, he was very clear - the lower two lines are API Group III conventional catalytic-cracked and hydro-treated 'synthetic' base oils.

The top two lines are all API Group IV PAO base oils (except for a little polyol ester added to carry additives in solution - PAO won't).

Therefore, for high temps, high loads, fewest deposits, use the top two series, for which 0W-30 only comes in the very top series = Super Car Series.

Depending where you're from, you may not need a 0W-30. Southern half or third of U.S. I'd use 5W-30 full time. Up here on the tundra, we get dangerous heat and dangerous cold, so I switch out oil for summer and winter. That's where this started with Red Line changing 0W-30 from a super oil to a run of the mill API SP oil not ideal for Hemi. I hoarded a couple year's worth of RL 0W-30, and thinking of going to HPL for winter when I run out.

 

[ramffml]

Hmm. Just checked, at least 4 of their most expensive oils are available in 0w-30. Maybe that's a recent addition? But it appears that no 0w-30 meets/exceeds MS6395, only the 5w-30 does in a few of their formulations. Not that I'm worried about the MS6395 (I've run redline lol)

I'm in Canada and see temps in the winter between -13F (rare) to 5F (often).

 

[HEMIMANN]

Must be in civilized Canada. I'm a ways south of Winnipeg. You'll know what a wonderful climate that is. Saw -32F actual temp a few winters back. 99F this summer.

Pretty sure MS-6395 only covers Stellantis recommended viscosities, 0W-30 isn't on their list. Remember, they're only concerned about fuel economy - even minuscule improvements. Except for performance vehicles such as 6.4 Hemi in cars.

6.4 Hemi in truck isn't a performance race engine. The oil vis recommendation just came along with the engine for the ride. It's a 0W-30 anyway.

The only thing is warranty denial if you don't document using MS-6395 oil, even if it had nothing to do with an engine failure. I'm still on extended warranty but don't care. I'd rather not have the engine fail from lubrication failure than prematurely wear it out, as I do tow moderate loads in hot summers.

 

[Travis8352]

We saw -18 this past winter and 104 this summer here in da up. M1 fs 0w40 seemed to perform great. (No noises on -18 cold start) didnt expect any with a -76f pour point and an mrv@-40 of 21,600

 

[ramffml]

Nobody has talked me out of it, so figured I'd take one for the team and give it a shot.
$220 USD for shipping 12 quarts of Passenger Premium+. Ouch. I guess that's 1 3/4 oil changes so there's that. I'll do a VOA for it when I ship my Mobil 1 used oil out.

 

[HEMIMANN]

We saw -18 this past winter and 104 this summer here in da up. M1 fs 0w40 seemed to perform great. (No noises on -18 cold start) didnt expect any with a -76f pour point and an mrv@-40 of 21,600

Gitcheegumee ain't cooling you guys off in summer anymore? It was coldest water temp in years this summer.

Anyway, did they list CCS dynamic viscosity for M1 fs 0W-40 @ -30C?