Pricing is out of control

[Treburkulosis]

I agree when you consider my 12 Lonestar was 32k new and now they are 50K+ Id say its a problem. Shop around tho. The ram is still the cheapest. Now as far as big SUV's go the Ford Expedition Ecoboost is the best bang for the buck.

 

[Scott0700]

Agree that pricing on trucks is nuts.
My wife’s new 2023 Tahoe, exact same vehicle and options as her 2018 Tahoe, stickered for $6,500 more. Less than 10% increase (did not get near the same discount off of sticker however). I don’t think that’s bad, and that’s what trucks should have gone up. There is a lot more tech in her new one. Build quality, it’s a complete POS, but that’s everything right now.

 

[Farmer Fran]

You all would **** a brick if you knew what I paid for my ZL1

 

[MaximumSteel18]

Well at least taxes didn’t go up if you make less than $400K a year.‍

 

[Treburkulosis]

You all would **** a brick if you knew what I paid for my ZL1

More then you should for a Chevy lol. They are beasts tho. I had to drive one back from some paint repair and it was over 100* It was a monster to keep it from spinning.

 

[Jane S]

Hi All,

I was reading a different thread on here (sorry, I forget which) and they were talking about RAM prices increasing by a lot. I guess I hadn't really paid attention so I went and looked at my 2021 1500 BigHorn's MSRP listing on my window sticker and then compared a 2023 RAM 1500 at a local dealer. I almost choked when I realized that the price jumped by 25%! My base MSRP was just under $40k ($39k + change). The new one was listed at just under $50k. MSRP. Before options. Wow. Just wow.

I haven't looked but is this pretty much the standard now across most trucks? Did all the manufacturers just decide to collude one day and raise everything 25%?

It's not that the price of the RAM is UP!

It is that the Value of the US$ is down.

It is going to get worse:

1. When the Fed stop raising - dollar goes down - price of imports go UP

2. Shortages - RICE - price goes up

Bend over dude ...

 

[Docwagon1776]

When I ordered my 2500 in January, there were no rebates, incentives, or mark downs. The online build price is what I paid.

I was being hyperbolic. I get some small percentage of people actually do pay MSRP, especially during COVID years, or even more. Historically nobody does, though. Or *nearly* nobody if we're being literal. If you did, you paid more than you needed to if you could order from Mark Dodge or any number of dealerships doing invoice+% pricing. I get some people need a vehicle *now* or will pay more to work with a local dealer, but you're paying thousands of dollars to do so.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Funny, the main stream media doesn't think the economy's bad.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 94793 miles.

Surprise, surprise...

 

[Tulecreeper]

I was being hyperbolic. I get some small percentage of people actually do pay MSRP, especially during COVID years, or even more. Historically nobody does, though. Or *nearly* nobody if we're being literal. If you did, you paid more than you needed to if you could order from Mark Dodge or any number of dealerships doing invoice+% pricing. I get some people need a vehicle *now* or will pay more to work with a local dealer, but you're paying thousands of dollars to do so.

I did my build online and took it to three different Dodge/Jeep dealers within a couple hours of me. Every one of them said the same thing..."The build price is our price. There are no rebates, incentives, or savings on that truck by financing through us. Maybe come June or July, but not for the next several months." And I didn't need a vehicle now, I had a Siverado that ran just fine. I just knew that if I waited much longer the prices would go up but I still wouldn't get any kind of incentives. And I was right.

I just did a 'pretend build' for my truck on the RAM website. For the exact same truck I ordered in January, it is now about $800 more than I paid...and there still are zero rebates or incentives offered.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I did my build online and took it to three different Dodge/Jeep dealers within a couple hours of me. Every one of them said the same thing..."The build price is our price. There are no rebates, incentives, or savings on that truck by financing through us. Maybe come June or July, but not for the next several months." And I didn't need a vehicle now, I had a Siverado that ran just fine. I just knew that if I waited much longer the prices would go up but I still wouldn't get any kind of incentives. And I was right.

I just did a 'pretend build' for my truck on the RAM website. For the exact same truck I ordered in January, it is now about $800 more than I paid...and there still are zero rebates or incentives offered.

My quote from Granger:
The MSRP is $81,000. The Invoice Price is $75,761. The sale price is $72,592.80. Our only two fees are a $180 documentation fee and a $45 transit tag fee. You will pay sales tax, title, license in your own state. We require a $1000 non-refundable deposit at time of order. Orders can take 6-9 months to be fulfilled.

Others do similar. Mark Dodge, for example. I ended up not wanting to wait the 6-9 months and bought a 2021 with 8k miles instead.

 

[Tulecreeper]

My quote from Granger:
The MSRP is $81,000. The Invoice Price is $75,761. The sale price is $72,592.80. Our only two fees are a $180 documentation fee and a $45 transit tag fee. You will pay sales tax, title, license in your own state. We require a $1000 non-refundable deposit at time of order. Orders can take 6-9 months to be fulfilled.

Others do similar. Mark Dodge, for example. I ended up not wanting to wait the 6-9 months and bought a 2021 with 8k miles instead.

I have no clue who Granger or Mark Dodge are. I assume they're not even in my state. I have 3 dealers in my geographical area to choose from and they are all the same price.

 

[NETim]

Several folks I know did. I did as well, to a certain point. My doctor was absolutely silly about it all. He kept hounding me to get Vaxxed. I told him eventually, he's have to hold a gnu to my head.... I changed to a different doctor when I went to him and was diagnosed with CowVeed. He was right up in my face looking at me. The nurse came in and swabbed me and I Had it. Doctor comes in a few minutes later wearing what amounts to a Hazmat suit! Fer Gawd's Sake! Really? I got over it with Zpac and lots of vitamins.

To be clear, I am not downplaying Covid. It was, and is, real. The disease caused real harm and killed millions. However, the measures taken by our all knowing and incredibly honest federal (and state) government(s) did more harm than good IMHO.

The masks were theater, pure and simple.

Forcing folks to get vax'ed was out of line. (And all kinds of vaccinated folks still got Covid, regardless of the promises made.)

Shutdowns of private industry caused economic havoc and IMHO the "cure" was worse than the disease.

Regardless of what the geniuses in DC and various state capitols pushed as a "fix" for Covid, the damn stuff is out of the lab. Nothing we can do will eliminate it. It is forever with us.

We increasingly live in a fear driven society.

Next time, flip 'em the bird. .Gov doesn't put food on the shelves and clothes on our backs.

 

[Tulecreeper]

To be clear, I am not downplaying Covid. It was, and is, real. The disease caused real harm and killed millions. However, the measures taken by our all knowing and incredibly honest federal (and state) government(s) did more harm than good IMHO.

The masks were theater, pure and simple.

Forcing folks to get vax'ed was out of line. (And all kinds of vaccinated folks still got Covid, regardless of the promises made.)

Shutdowns of private industry caused economic havoc and IMHO the "cure" was worse than the disease.

Regardless of what the geniuses in DC and various state capitols pushed as a "fix" for Covid, the damn stuff is out of the lab. Nothing we can do will eliminate it. It is forever with us.

We increasingly live in a fear driven society.

Next time, flip 'em the bird. .Gov doesn't put food on the shelves and clothes on our backs.

Unfortunately, there is a whole generation (or two) of people who think that is exactly the govt's job.

 

[Treburkulosis]

It's not that the price of the RAM is UP!

It is that the Value of the US$ is down.

It is going to get worse:

1. When the Fed stop raising - dollar goes down - price of imports go UP

2. Shortages - RICE - price goes up

Bend over dude ...

So that means food is a shortage again? My grocery bill is up 125+ dollars a week lol.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I have no clue who Granger or Mark Dodge are. I assume they're not even in my state. I have 3 dealers in my geographical area to choose from and they are all the same price.

They aren't in my state, either. Granger is in Iowa. Mark Dodge is in Louisiana. Gupton is in Tennessee. None of them are particularly close to me, but all are close enough to a major airport that for $8500 off I could easily fly there and drive home. Nobody in my state wanted to play ball, including the dealership I bought my last 4 vehicles from who had always been willing to price match or work a deal with me pre-COVID. So I went outside my state. Not as convenient, I get, but I'm willing to trade some convenience for $8500.

 

[Sherman Bird]

To be clear, I am not downplaying Covid. It was, and is, real. The disease caused real harm and killed millions. However, the measures taken by our all knowing and incredibly honest federal (and state) government(s) did more harm than good IMHO.

The masks were theater, pure and simple.

Forcing folks to get vax'ed was out of line. (And all kinds of vaccinated folks still got Covid, regardless of the promises made.)

Shutdowns of private industry caused economic havoc and IMHO the "cure" was worse than the disease.

Regardless of what the geniuses in DC and various state capitols pushed as a "fix" for Covid, the damn stuff is out of the lab. Nothing we can do will eliminate it. It is forever with us.

We increasingly live in a fear driven society.

Next time, flip 'em the bird. .Gov doesn't put food on the shelves and clothes on our backs.

 

[2Tallguy]

Xi's

You've been living under a rock huh? Lol. Prices of everything continue to climb, most everything is up at least 25% from where it was 2 years ago, sometimes 50-75% even. All of our part prices at work have gone up at least 40% thanks to Covid related issues i.e. steel prices/labor prices/transport prices have all soared

Xi's Virus nailed the entire world and there is alot of gouging out there. We're buying overseas oil again thanks to the sleepy guy instead of manufacturing our own abundant supplies

 

[2Tallguy]

SARS2 is Covid. Period. I had it twice. Both times, it put my butt in the dirt. My advantage was being raised around a Grandfather who was a Pharmacologist for a Big Pharma company. His "territory" was the Houston Medical Center.... He knew Michael DeBakey, E. Stanley Crawford, Denton Cooley, and many, many more of the "darlings" of the Medical center. These doctors, while making great strides in Medical research had the "God" syndrome, and all practiced allopathic medicine.

Our bodies come equipped with a natural immune system, but allopathic doctors want to slam us with "Cut, Slice, Burn" and other "fix it fast" crap. Wearing masks failed miserably during the 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. I did a lot of research when our "Gummint" took charge with all those clowns to tell me how to burp, fart, breath, etc. when it came to self care during those trying times. I found the real truths about virology and viral immunity.

Grandad took many supplements and ate real food, got 6-8 hours of sleep per night, and always told me that it is MY responsibility for my own well-being. He must have known something... He lived to be 94 years old and was fully functional and active through age 92.

Do I go to the doctor? Yes... but what they prescribe, I question (pissus 'em off). I ask questions, and if they get hoaky, I fire them. The mutt-head who wore the hazmat outfit had been my primary care doc. for 30 years. I canned him after that dingy stunt!

I took care of myself and bolstered my immune system with real food, loads of supplements, lots of liquids and rest. Make no mistake, it was serious and real, and I lost several friends to it. Sadly, those friends didn't want to hear what I had to say regarding enhancing themselves for long term outcome due to Covid. They trusted their doctors implicitly. I'd never minimize it, but I sure as heck ain't letting anyone insult my intelligence.

Thank you. The lab leaked virus was a windfall for Pfizer and others. I had to get the jab because of a Hawaii trip. I eventually got it but barely noticed any symptoms. Xi's Virus was bad ju ju regardless.

 

[turkeybird56]

There's a significant difference between a 25% jump in price with a cup of coffee to a 25% jump in the cost of a vehicle. Obviously I've noticed how everything is more expensive. I guess I'm going to just keep my truck forever because as much as I love it, it's not worth a 25% premium to get a newer one at some point. I guess time will tell.

Keep it, maintain it and drive and enjoy it. WHY unless I get some great lottery numbers, my 19 will be rusting in the driveway.

 

[Ratman6161]

Manufacturers colluded?

No, DC colluded and printed trillions in worthless paper. It was the largest hidden tax in history. And everyone sat back and congratulated themselves on receiving their little assistance checks.

No collusion...prices are way up for all manufacturers but Ram is MUCH higher than Chevy for comparable trucks both in MSRP and actual selling prices. Im comparing my 22 2500 Laramie purchased last Jan with the 24 Silverado LTZ with similar options. Between dealerndiscounts and Ram incentives I got about $6K off MSRP. But I had to get that much of a discount to bring it down to the MSRP of the Chevy. I went with the Ram because it fits in my garage. A crew cab standard box Chevy is a foot longer and wont fit.