New I-6 info...

[Travelin Ram]

Here’s an example of a good old 5.7 V8 up against a turbo 6.

Bye Bye

 

[Cmz2800]

It’s called innovation. Things usually get better throughout time. Case in point: 1998 mustang gt was a 4.6 liter v8 producing 225 hp consuming like 16 mpg. Need I say more? Oftentimes we’re not ready to see things change but usually after a while of seeing the benefits of change we realize we’re just chimps and we really don’t know much.

 

[Lsujker]

It’s called innovation. Things usually get better throughout time. Case in point: 1998 mustang gt was a 4.6 liter v8 producing 225 hp consuming like 16 mpg. Need I say more? Oftentimes we’re not ready to see things change but usually after a while of seeing the benefits of change we realize we’re just chimps and we really don’t know much.

We accept innovation but not at the expense of overcomplication and reliability. Verdict is still out on reliability.

 

[Travelin Ram]

We accept innovation but not at the expense of overcomplication and reliability. Verdict is still out on reliability.

How complicated is the computer you’re typing on? Can you reproduce it’s inner workings or repair it?

Reliability is really only known after the fact. You’re expecting chicken having never had any exposure to the eggs. Which I DO understand and sympathize with, actually. And there’s an easy, time tested solution. Just give it some time and don’t buy the first year or two. Someone else will be the beta tester.

 

[Cmz2800]

We accept innovation but not at the expense of overcomplication and reliability. Verdict is still out on reliability.

Listen, I actually agree with over complicated innovation. They make things too difficult to fix. It makes it more complicated because we don’t understand the new technology. If you talk to some 70’s mechanic he would probably say that what we’re saying now he would say about cars from the 80’s and 90’s. Then again, what do I know? I really don’t know what I’m saying :-/

 

[ramffml]

Here’s an example of a good old 5.7 V8 up against a turbo 6.

Bye Bye

The 5.7 tundra was released in what, 2008? That's hardly a modern v8, I don't even think it has VVT. GM has made a nicely refreshed 6.2 v8 in their vette making about 500 hp. Ford has the 5.0 coyote which is much smaller than the 5.7 and yet is quicker in the F150 vs the Ram.

Also that 5.7 is indestructible, 1 or 2 have reached a million miles.

It's a mistake to write off v8s, they've been around for decades and for good reason. You can make tons of reliable power, package it into smaller areas, and have it run for a few decades as well with proper maintenance.

While the 5.7 hemi has had a great run and obviously reached end of life, I think we all know that considering it was released way back in 2005, that doesn't mean a new modern v8 wouldn't be a better option than a tiny turbo.

 

[Jeepwalker]

I honestly wouldn't mind if they reduced the next gen truck's size by 15%-20%. Do they really *need* to keep making them larger? Lower the front hood some for a bit better aerodynamics (and better visibility). Those two things alone would help improve fuel economy w/o having to add a lot of engine complexity. And do the engines REALLY need to be 400hp+??.

 

[Lsujker]

How complicated is the computer you’re typing on? Can you reproduce it’s inner workings or repair it?

Reliability is really only known after the fact. You’re expecting chicken having never had any exposure to the eggs. Which I DO understand and sympathize with, actually. And there’s an easy, time tested solution. Just give it some time and don’t buy the first year or two. Someone else will be the beta tester.

Solid argument! Correct, I can not fix this computer other than mashing the power button on and off 10 times. Horrible with technology.

This computer set me back $1,000. If it breaks I have the option to fix or replace. Same as a car. Will get up from my chair and move to the next task. My $60,000 car breaks leaving me stranded in the grocery parking lot, I have a bigger problem. Now I require a tow, find an open shop, ride home. Same problem but much larger expense.

You are right about reliability. Lets see the chicken. Truly hopeful the Hurricane proves bullet proof. The concern comes from 1000 parts vs 100 parts. Each part has to operate for the engine to run. The chances of a poorly manufactured/designed component increases 10 fold.

Received a facebook feed few days ago. Full engine replacement on a new wagoneer. That's one so far. Wonder how many are on the road now?

 

[turkeybird56]

I hope the "Hurricane" moniker doesn't describe what the ownership experience will be like.

I guess we'll have to 'trust' they did their homework and see how it goes.

U R a trusting soul. (sic)

 

[turkeybird56]

I honestly wouldn't mind if they reduced the next gen truck's size by 15%-20%. Do they really *need* to keep making them larger? Lower the front hood some for a bit better aerodynamics (and better visibility). Those two things alone would help improve fuel economy w/o having to add a lot of engine complexity. And do the engines REALLY need to be 400hp+??.

Nah, 395 hp be sufficient.

 

[ramffml]

I honestly wouldn't mind if they reduced the next gen truck's size by 15%-20%. Do they really *need* to keep making them larger? Lower the front hood some for a bit better aerodynamics (and better visibility). Those two things alone would help improve fuel economy w/o having to add a lot of engine complexity. And do the engines REALLY need to be 400hp+??.

I think you're onto something here! Cut down the size to 90's level, add the weight savings from the mixed materials strategy, offer more basic trims that aren't covered in recycled black plastic.

As for the HP, my truck is great as a daily driver though I do wish at times for more low end grunt while towing. I don't know what to do there, MDS is great in theory though in practice with my 3.21 it's just an annoyance with no benefit. I think a simple pushrod is attractive, but I'll take a more complicated DOHC v8 than a turbo 6. Ford's 5.0 is really shining these days, decent MPG, and a tiny bit more powerful than the 5.7 hemi.

 

[czervika]

5th gen. Wrong forum.

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

Ford's 5.0 is really shining these days, decent MPG,

Ferds 5.0L coyote, as of 2018 has plasma lined cylinder liners with low tension piston rings, 4 cam phasers and a bunch of moving parts, it's is not a push rod V-8 anymore and what's more if your one of lucky ones that's got a oil Pusher Ford will give you a different dip stick with different hash marks to accept a extra qt of oil. No thanks never a Ferd for me ever again, and while we're on the subject the new I6 hurricane has plasma liner cylinder liners W water cooled exhaust manifolds, with a forged crank and connecting rods for those screaming twin Turbo's these Manufactures never learn there lession, that's why the average Joe out there doesn't have a clue of what there're buying!!! but us here have a advantage.

 

[ramffml]

Ferds 5.0L coyote, as of 2018 has plasma lined cylinder liners with low tension piston rings, 4 cam phasers and a bunch of moving parts, it's is not a push rod V-8 anymore and what's more if your one of lucky ones that's got a oil Pusher Ford will give you a different dip stick with different hash marks to accept a extra qt of oil. No thanks never a Ferd for me ever again, and while we're on the subject the new I6 hurricane has plasma liner cylinder liners W water cooled exhaust manifolds, with a forged crank and connecting rods for those screaming twin Turbo's these Manufactures never learn there lession, that's why the average Joe out there doesn't have a clue of what there're buying!!! but us here have a advantage.

My point was I'll take the 5.0 over any i6/v6 setup. We can prefer the hemi but it's not an option anymore. We can complain and moan but at the end of the day, a purchase needs to be made and I'll be getting a v8 as long as they offer them so that means my next truck (if its new) will not be from Ram.

 

[Loudram]

I am definitely NOT going to be one of those early adopters. I traded in my '19 Classic for my current truck so I can wait to see what comes of these new trucks and have a dependable truck to drive while waiting.

 

[Yardbird]

That block better be strong on the bottom end pushing out that kind of torque.

Cadillac had main bearing alignment issues because of warped aluminum blocks with the HT4100 engine, then later on with head bolts pulling out of the block on Northstars.

I see nothing to worry about here with aluminum block, plasma cylinders, direct injection, water cooled exhaust (they can't keep the Hemi exhaust from warping now) dual turbos, ect. At leas it's an inline 6. That should help.

Time will tell. It may be a beast that last forever like the slant 6.

 

[BadHemi2014]

I honestly wouldn't mind if they reduced the next gen truck's size by 15%-20%. Do they really *need* to keep making them larger? Lower the front hood some for a bit better aerodynamics (and better visibility). Those two things alone would help improve fuel economy w/o having to add a lot of engine complexity. And do the engines REALLY need to be 400hp+??.

Yes, bring them back to the size of this beauty I had the privilege to park next to (was driving my Beetle that day, darn it).

 

[ramffml]

Yes, bring them back to the size of this beauty I had the privilege to park next to (was driving my Beetle that day, darn it).
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Beautiful truck!

I think we'd be surprised what a modern small v8 in a small truck like that could do with a 8 or 10 speed transmission. 350 to 400 hp, and remove 3/4 of the frills in a new truck and sign me up. No fancy tail gates, no sun roofs, no rats nest of electronics, just a good/simple body on frame.

 

[seabrook]

i watched a few reviews on the new engine and it looks like a great motor but it's not for me.

 

[Lsujker]

Beautiful truck!

I think we'd be surprised what a modern small v8 in a small truck like that could do with a 8 or 10 speed transmission. 350 to 400 hp, and remove 3/4 of the frills in a new truck and sign me up. No fancy tail gates, no sun roofs, no rats nest of electronics, just a good/simple body on frame.

Sounds like the ram classic is perfect for your.