ethanol free?

HEMIMANN said:

At Onan, ethanol fuel would not store for even 6 months. It is not a horror story. It is a fact.

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06 Dodge said:

Have you tried using stabilizers for ethanol gas like Lucas Fuel Stabilizer, start-tron or Sta-bil? I learned from talking to workers at an ethanol plant I lived near in IA that ethanol starts spoiling once it makes contact with air, the rail cars they load ethanol into are not air tight, so depending on where it gets shipped to can sit in a rail car 2 or more weeks all the while going bad and the way it gets mixed at the load doc the amount of Ethanol in each delivery to a gas station can very 2% or more...

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HEMIMANN said:

Cenex usually offers non ethanol gas of all grades. Wisconsin law also doesn't allow to put into cars and trucks, but nobody checks, if that's your thing. I don't have any issue with 10% ethanol for my on-road vehicles since we go through enough gas not to cause storage issues.

My small engines are entirely different. The small 4 stroke engines get non ethanol 87 octane (low compression ratios need lower octane to burn cleanly), the 2 strokes get 91 octane non ethanol (required by manufacturers).

I had property in Hayward I've since sold, a nice big Cenex there. This spring I think I'll fill my dolly jug at the Cenex in Hudson across the border with 87 octane non ethanol. Cenex was Top Tier at one time, don't know if it is now. Regardless, I always add Stabil to my annual dolly gas because it lasts all year.

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Kazim Mohammed said:

Ethanol free gasoline is as expensive as Super!

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HEMIMANN said:

Cenex usually offers non ethanol gas of all grades. Wisconsin law also doesn't allow to put into cars and trucks, but nobody checks, if that's your thing. I don't have any issue with 10% ethanol for my on-road vehicles since we go through enough gas not to cause storage issues.

My small engines are entirely different. The small 4 stroke engines get non ethanol 87 octane (low compression ratios need lower octane to burn cleanly), the 2 strokes get 91 octane non ethanol (required by manufacturers).

I had property in Hayward I've since sold, a nice big Cenex there. This spring I think I'll fill my dolly jug at the Cenex in Hudson across the border with 87 octane non ethanol. Cenex was Top Tier at one time, don't know if it is now. Regardless, I always add Stabil to my annual dolly gas because it lasts all year.

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RamInfo said:

Years ago, growing up on a farm, it was not unusual to see inspectors taking fuel samples in the parking lot of the local livestock sale barn. Best excuse ever for a locking fuel cap…

best,
DG

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danielmid said:

That's WI law? There are quite a few stations around me that the premium is ethanol free and nary a sign about usage in sight.

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Fediej said:

Are you sure on this law? Last I heard Wisconsin doesn't technically even mandate that ethanol be added at all, it's more or less left up to more localized legislation.

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HEMIMANN said:

It's posted at the Cenex in Hayward. Perhaps enforcement is nonexistent, as I posited?

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Wisconsin Legislature: 168.105(1)

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov

danielmid said:

All I can find in WI statutes are about labeling and dispensing, nothing about use.

Wisconsin Legislature: 168.105(1)

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Wisconsin Laws and Incentives

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retired said:

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HEMIMANN said:

That's all I know. Just reporting what I saw with my own eyes.

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Fediej said:

MAYBE there's something to that with the higher octane "recreational" or "race" gas but I have serious doubts that the non-ethanol 85/87/88 levels are illegal for street vehicle use. For the record though, I wouldn't use 85 in any of my engines unless it was specifically called for.

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HEMIMANN said:

They ARE ILLEGAL in Minnesota. The pumps are so marked.

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Fediej said:

And so is real beer. Just a couple reasons that Minnesota sucks. But we were talking Wisconsin. ;-P

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HEMIMANN said:

I thought they got rid of that with the great Sunday Liquor Store opening?

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