FCA emissions recall 67A

Interesting? Back in February 2020 there was a similar recall for certain 2019 Ram 2500 and 3500 Trucks. "The engine control software on about 91,000 of the above vehicles must be updated with an upgraded calibration as required by the US Environmental Protection Agency and California Air Resources Board for better emission performance. NOTE: Some vehicles within the above build period may have been identified as not involved in this recall and therefore have been excluded from this recall. Perhaps with this new 67A emissions recall being at the time of the announcement of Cummins 1.6 billion penalty is why EVERYONE is up in arms about it. Nonetheless, I will not be getting done.

But here is a section of the NYT article on this timeline of emissions recalls.

Concluding a Four-Year Emissions Saga​

The story goes back to 2019, when Cummins announced it had begun a formal review of its emissions certification and compliance process relating to diesel engines it supplied for Ram pickups.

The review came after questions from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and California Air Resources Board about the new diesel engine that powered the 2019 Ram 2500 and 3500 trucks. This 6.7-liter turbo diesel made up to 1,000 pounds-feet of torque and up to 400 horsepower.

What's Next for Owners of Affected Trucks?​

Stellantis has already recalled the model year 2019 trucks and has initiated a recall of the model year 2013 to 2018 trucks, according to the New York Times. The software in those trucks will be recalibrated so they are fully compliant with federal emissions law.

Next steps are unclear on the model year 2020 through 2023 trucks, said the NYT.

Be worth hearing form 2019 truck owners that had the software emissions upgrade recall done in 2020 what they experienced with post truck performances.

06 Dodge said:

I think part of it is about $$$$$, yes they could fight it for many, many years in court and they could most likely win, but all of those attorneys & paperwork, fees cost one heck of a lot of $$$, I think the bean counters would say we think its cheaper to pay the fine an move on, also if they fight in court they may pay the price of the state of CA, the EPA along with all of the we hate ICE greenies, crack pots posting BS & telling lies about diesel engines along with lots of other bad press coverage about Cummins their engines etc, etc, etc, thus the board most likely said its best to work out an agreement, one that said Cummins did nothing wrong. I also wonder if this BS is why Cummins is breaking off and renaming some of its brands/products? BTW this is just my WAG.....

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Apparently this has been going on since the 2019 truck recall VB6 in 2020.

Concluding a Four-Year Emissions Saga​

The story goes back to 2019, when Cummins announced it had begun a formal review of its emissions certification and compliance process relating to diesel engines it supplied for Ram pickups.

The review came after questions from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and California Air Resources Board about the new diesel engine that powered the 2019 Ram 2500 and 3500 trucks. This 6.7-liter turbo diesel made up to 1,000 pounds-feet of torque and up to 400 horsepower.

What's Next for Owners of Affected Trucks?​

Stellantis has already recalled the model year 2019 trucks and has initiated a recall of the model year 2013 to 2018 trucks, according to the New York Times. The software in those trucks will be recalibrated so they are fully compliant with federal emissions law.

Next steps are unclear on the model year 2020 through 2023 trucks, said the NYT.

Gr8bawana said:

I just got that recall notice yesterday and it went straight into the trash. Truck runs great empty or towing out 14k lb 5th wheel.
I'm gonna keep just the way it is.

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WELL, be informed: U go to Dealership and they plug in their OBD reader, THEY WILL FLASH your truck with that required Recall.

So I looked back in previous post and found the discussions with the same emissions PCM upgrade recall VB6 in 2020 for the 2019 HD models. Reports from members then indicate no real change in performance afterwards other than perhaps some DEF consumption actually being less used.

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/2019-emissions-recall

Quote: "I had the Emissions Recall VB6 performed on my 2019 3500 and did not notice any loss of performance in torque or HP BUT have noticed a big difference if both the usage of DPF fluid and DPF Regen. My truck which is not driven hard most of the time would have my DPF digital read out showing 1/4+ lit up after only a couple hundred miles and then the regen would kick in and zero it out. After having the recall performed I have not seen a lite on yet after a thousand miles of typical driving. I am starting to worry that something else is going on or has anyone else experiences that the DPF does not get dirty as quick requiring the regen after having this recall performed???.

It probably has a lot to do with this
https://www.truckinginfo.com/310027/huge-emissions-recall-includes-over-500-000-cummins-engines

One also has to wonder how much of the added Nox output problem has to due with CARB mandated use of reformulated diesel & Bio fuels that all diesel trucks in CA are required to use?

Jim BB said:

It probably has a lot to do with this
https://www.truckinginfo.com/310027/huge-emissions-recall-includes-over-500-000-cummins-engines

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Seems to stem from this:
cummins-reviews-certification-of-ram-diesel-engine

06 Dodge said:

They have already mentioned some or all of it is about Nox emissions, as I understood it more or less the state of CA was not happy to find out that a cold diesel engine an at start up will put out more Nox then a warm/hot engine, the best I can put together based on limited info, the state of CA & EPA (claims) they did not know about and or don't get the paperwork about Nox emissions, so CA ( who we know dislikes all ICE) along with EPA started the war against Cummins and I would not be at surprised if they also did a deep dive on other diesel manufactures emissions...

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I want to specifically see what programming is being changed. That's my hang up.

I read in the comments above that the recall applies to the CTD with 6-Speed Automatic Transmission (DG7 & DF2). So my config (CTD with 6-Speed Manual Transmission (G56) will be exempt?

dputnam01 said:

I read in the comments above that the recall applies to the CTD with 6-Speed Automatic Transmission (DG7 & DF2). So my config (CTD with 6-Speed Manual Transmission (G56) will be exempt?

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More than likely, how/when the transmission shifts can affect the emissions.
One of the tuners for the EcoDiesel that offers an EPA compliant tune, the ECM and TCM have to be tuned together to meet compliance.

dputnam01 said:

I read in the comments above that the recall applies to the CTD with 6-Speed Automatic Transmission (DG7 & DF2). So my config (CTD with 6-Speed Manual Transmission (G56) will be exempt?

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That is Incorrect as I have a 2018 g56 truck with 46K on it that I got the recall notice for.

I will add, I bought an Oil change package at a decent discount when buying the truck new in 2018, so I also have an OBD lock so when They check it in Ill unlock for them to read anything for check in process and for me to acknowledge it and afterwards I lock it back. No need to get into it to change the oil.

ronheater70 said:

I will add, I bought an Oil change package at a decent discount when buying the truck new in 2018, so I also have an OBD lock so when They check it in Ill unlock for them to read anything for check in process and for me to acknowledge it and afterwards I lock it back. No need to get into it to change the oil.

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Let ys know how that works out. I wonder if dealers will give a hard time to get these "updates" done.

18CrewDually said:

Let ys know how that works out. I wonder if dealers will give a hard time to get these "updates" done.

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Im wondering as well.. Im out of warranty now so they cant hold the warranty over my head and my state does not do emissions testing. We shall see... Of course as time goes on and we get more data and shows t doesn't have a negative affect on the truck then I'll let them do it just so its up to date. I only put 2800 miles on the truck in the last 9 months so I have a bit before I take it for its oil change. I change at 7500.

After myself and other stating they will not have the 67A recall done on their trucks, I happen to notice in the owners manual stating "FCA US LLC reserves the right to make changes in design and specifications, and/or make additions to or improvements to its products without imposing any obligation upon itself to install them on products previously manufactured." Hmm, does that mean dealerships are mandated to comply with recalls without the owners approval?

nlambert182 said:

I want to specifically see what programming is being changed. That's my hang up.

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I doubt they are willing to let anyone see that information

ronheater70 said:

Im wondering as well.. Im out of warranty now so they cant hold the warranty over my head and my state does not do emissions testing. We shall see... Of course as time goes on and we get more data and shows t doesn't have a negative affect on the truck then I'll let them do it just so its up to date. I only put 2800 miles on the truck in the last 9 months so I have a bit before I take it for its oil change. I change at 7500.

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After myself and other stating they will not have the 67A recall done on their trucks, I happen to notice in the owners manual stating "FCA US LLC reserves the right to make changes in design and specifications, and/or make additions to or improvements to its products without imposing any obligation upon itself to install them on products previously manufactured." Hmm, does that mean dealerships are mandated to comply with recalls without the owners approval?

No.... what that says is that FCA can change the design of the trucks or change the specs to what they are currently manufacturing without obligation to make those same changes to a truck that has been sold or is sitting on a lot somewhere for sale.

So basically they're saying if they added a cool feature to trucks on the assembly line, they are not required to implement that feature on anything that's left their production line.


However... if a dealer sees an open recall you can rest assured they're going to pop it on your truck unless you specifically tell them not to. Even then, an OBDII lockout as some have suggested is still wise. Even if you told them in writing that you were declining, they could say "oops... we didn't realize it. Too late now."

Dealerships get paid to perform recalls. It's free money for them. They will take that any time they can get it.

nlambert182 said:

No.... what that says is that FCA can change the design of the trucks or change the specs to what they are currently manufacturing without obligation to make those same changes to a truck that has been sold or is sitting on a lot somewhere for sale.

So basically they're saying if they added a cool feature to trucks on the assembly line, they are not required to implement that feature on anything that's left their production line.


However... if a dealer sees an open recall you can rest assured they're going to pop it on your truck unless you specifically tell them not to. Even then, an OBDII lockout as some have suggested is still wise. Even if you told them in writing that you were declining, they could say "oops... we didn't realize it. Too late now."

Dealerships get paid to perform recalls. It's free money for them. They will take that any time they can get it.

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I'm not sure how OBDII locks can prevent manual access to the PCM unit itself and doing a PCM flash update through a J2534 wifi to computer connection. But if it can, I certainly would be interested in putting one on!

Bighorn18 said:

I'm not sure how OBDII locks can prevent manual access to the PCM unit itself and doing a PCM flash update through a J2534 wifi to computer connection. But if it can, I certainly would be interested in putting one on!

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You're locking the J2534 DLC with a cover or in my case I installed a "dummy" plug so they can't plug in to be able to program.