2025 Ram HD

[crash68]

I was going to say something else but yea. dude acts like a ***** to members here and posts garbage he should be called out for it. i dont care how old or how many dodge products he bought. dont be a ****.

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[nlambert182]

A thought just occurred to me as I re-read some of the initial posts regarding the production lines and having one paint line.

IF that is true (which seems off because there would be no redundancy if something goes down), that actually helps further explain why they've reduced things like color choices, chrome vs painted bumpers, etc..).

Most production lines don't build 10 different trim levels at the same time and they won't paint 5 different colors in one shift because it's faster and cheaper to produce a batch of the same thing.

So on Monday they may schedule to build 2500s and 3500 SRW Tradesman (or BigHorns, Laramies, etc...) diesels in blue. Tomorrow, they may be building 2500 Hemi Limiteds in Metallic Gray. So on and so forth.

Having production personnel stop before each build begins to verify that the pickers sent them the right components (which harness the truck gets, which control modules, which seats, which engine, which transmission, which suspension, verify paint color, etc)... costs time. Production lines have a quota to reach each day. The name of the game is maximum throughput. If they don't produce x number of trucks per day, the overhead costs creep up.

 

[oledirteh]

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but but. gotcha

 

[Jimmy07]

A thought just occurred to me as I re-read some of the initial posts regarding the production lines and having one paint line.

IF that is true (which seems off because there would be no redundancy if something goes down), that actually helps further explain why they've reduced things like color choices, chrome vs painted bumpers, etc..).

Most production lines don't build 10 different trim levels at the same time and they won't paint 5 different colors in one shift because it's faster and cheaper to produce a batch of the same thing.

So on Monday they may schedule to build 2500s and 3500 SRW Tradesman (or BigHorns, Laramies, etc...) diesels in blue. Tomorrow, they may be building 2500 Hemi Limiteds in Metallic Gray. So on and so forth.

Having production personnel stop before each build begins to verify that the pickers sent them the right components (which harness the truck gets, which control modules, which seats, which engine, which transmission, which suspension, verify paint color, etc)... costs time. Production lines have a quota to reach each day. The name of the game is maximum throughput. If they don't produce x number of trucks per day, the overhead costs creep up.

This theory can be debunked, because we already know for certain that out of 900+ trucks that run down the line each day, they are of all different trims and colors.
There’s a member on another forum that was data mining every build sheet every day for the last few model years, and this was easy to determine (the build sheet becomes available to view the morning after the truck came off the line).
If Ram is only making a few colors and option combos available at the moment, it’s for no other reason than that’s just how they want to start off, it won’t have anything to do with how the production line works.

 

[Docwagon1776]

Just looked at the Ram website and am wondering when Ram is going to do away with the build and price option and just flat out say we are going to build it the way we want to and the hell with you! The 3500 Limited Longhorn has four color options. No chrome bumper option, one diesel engine option which runs 13K, one color for interior and a 15 year old body style that they just throw different front plastic on. They can KMA! I have found myself for the first time in 40 years driving on to Ford and GM lots. Doubt I will by another Ram

Build & Price often isn't particularly accurate early on, contact a dealer to see what can *actually* be ordered and what will be a late model year option.

Or don't. It's not an airport, announcing of departures isn't a requirement. Ford makes a good product IMO and GM...well, GM makes a product.

 

[Riccochet]

Be happy you don't like Wranglers. Oh, that color you like, well, they only made 3000 of them in that color and it's no longer available. But this color is, for now, if you order today, because tomorrow it might not be available. And if you want this color you're going to have to wait another 3-6 months for orders to start on that.

Ram "was" doing that with the Sport Limited's they were making. I had a 2017 in Sublime Green, only 3000 in that color were made.

******** about color options with Mopar is futile. It's constantly changing.

 

[BrianCavanaugh]

It IS disappointing... I've been waiting for YEARS for Ram to update the cab & body style... to no avail. I was tempted to upgrade when they switched to the 8 speed tranny, as the 6 speed on my '16 Tradesman (gasser) can be a bit clunky at times. But then the pandemic... and skyrocketing prices... and supply chain issues. I tried bargaining on a few Rebel 2500s in the past few months, but I'm not biting on a few thou off of a truck that's been sitting on the lot for over a year... not to mention the ugly grille. I'm divided on the '25s... on the one hand, it's a tough sell b/c all they've done is change headlights/taillights (on the gasser). But... it's also a well-established, proven platform (my '16 6.4L has been flawless, other than recalls) with a proven track record. I was tempted to go Ford or GMC, but I haven't warmed up to the Super Duty styling, & am not a fan of the direct-injected engines on the GMC (and no gearing options). I guess the good thing is that I don't HAVE to do anything... so I can wait for the right deal/truck to come along.

I hear you. Many folks complain about being guenie pigs/test subjects for updated and new vehicles, and then others complain about not being updated and being outdated. Not sure what function the 2025 Ram cab will be called upon to perform that did not exist in 2015??? You can't win.

 

[BrianCavanaugh]

Don't be an idiot! Be willing to bet there are many who agree with me and Ram sales declines prove it. They just are not willing to say so because of the way some here have responded to my post!

Out of curiosity how many colors exactly do you need to be available to you on a truck you may or may not purchase in order to be less angry at Ram? More than 8? But not more than 13, right?

 

[Six Turboed]

Ram shoving trucks down people's throats????? WTHeck does that mean? To me it is as simple as, you buy you don't buy, that is it. A real good practice is do not even pull onto a lot,,, that way there is a high certainty a person would never buy a Ram truck! This practice will mostly hamper Ram from shoving anything including trucks down the throat of anyone! HA

 

[nlambert182]

This theory can be debunked, because we already know for certain that out of 900+ trucks that run down the line each day, they are of all different trims and colors.
There’s a member on another forum that was data mining every build sheet every day for the last few model years, and this was easy to determine (the build sheet becomes available to view the morning after the truck came off the line).
If Ram is only making a few colors and option combos available at the moment, it’s for no other reason than that’s just how they want to start off, it won’t have anything to do with how the production line works.

Not necessarily. We're discussing the idea that there is 1 line as the OP said. IF there is 1 line, that is absolutely how it works. I've been doing this type of work and managing manufacturing operations for the better part of the past 2 decades.

Now, if there are multiple production/assembly/paint lines (which I suspect), then what you say is absolutely true. Changing over multiple trim levels for each product is difficult. The base product can all go down one line but when you get to the option specific stuff, it will get grouped and will likely move onto separate lines.

Ram isn't the only one thinning down unpopular option combos. Every manufacturer is doing that to cut costs, and have been since the beginning of time. They don't build what statistically doesn't sell enough to give them the necessary ROI and maintain their acceptable gross margin.

 

[BossHogg]

They can KMA! I have found myself for the first time in 40 years driving on to Ford and GM lots. Doubt I will by another Ram

I doubt you will be driving a Ford or GM once you do drive onto their lots. Been there and done that.

 

[Jimmy07]

Not necessarily. We're discussing the idea that there is 1 line as the OP said. IF there is 1 line, that is absolutely how it works. I've been doing this type of work and managing manufacturing operations for the better part of the past 2 decades.

Now, if there are multiple production/assembly/paint lines (which I suspect), then what you say is absolutely true. Changing over multiple trim levels for each product is difficult. The base product can all go down one line but when you get to the option specific stuff, it will get grouped and will likely move onto separate lines.

Ram isn't the only one thinning down unpopular option combos. Every manufacturer is doing that to cut costs, and have been since the beginning of time. They don't build what statistically doesn't sell enough to give them the necessary ROI and maintain their acceptable gross margin.

It doesn’t matter if there’s one or fifty lines. The undisputed fact is, each day at the Saltillo plant, multiple trim levels of all colors are built. Therefore, any notion that production line layout has anything to do with why they are only offering certain colors and trims right now is incorrect.

They just flat out aren’t ready to open all the colors, trims, and options for order yet. You also can’t order a power wagon yet. At the moment, the hemi is only available to order in the tradesman, and not allowed to order air suspension on a 3500 SRW yet.

 

[nlambert182]

I never said that the production line layout has anything to do with what trim levels they are offering. HOW they produce the options they offer is a different discussion than WHAT they offer.

 

[dpinvidic]

https://www.ramtrucks.com/bmo.ram_3...APA,PAU,TN,ESL,DFX,DME,Z3V,TEA,WHC,BL,UBW,2UK Ram website 2025 you are looking at 2024!

When I clicked on the link, I got a pop-up that said the configuration was for my zip code...and asked if I wanted to switch zip code...it said all config's may not be available in my zip code

 

[dpinvidic]

Be sure to check out YouTube for Ford Eco-boost problems and chevy fuel management problems. It seems to me that these two guys have more problems than the RAM's.....but the jury is still out for the Huricane engine

 

[JDB5]

I have a few concerns questions that I have about the new model that I can’t find the answers to yet - maybe someone knows:
Is the new head iron or aluminum?
Is there still a tap gear shift button on the stalk to control transmission gear choice?
What are the improvements from the cp4 to the new cp8?
Finally the most important to me - have changes been made to the cam shaft lifters to prevent their premature failure (spinning in the block, soft metal, lack of oil being brought in, better bearing surface within the roller)?
I currently have a SO 3500 dually with 110,000 miles (one owner driver). I pull a 15k plus 5ver and although no tranny issues at all I am considering a $8-9k investment in an installed hotshot type tranny rebuild of my 68rfe or maybe a new 2025 or 2026. I personally love my 14 platform so I would be glad to keep what has worked and is familiar why getting everything else new (even at a huge cost). I believe they will only continue to go up. I am 60 so this could easily be my last big truck if it is nearly as good as my 2014 has been.

 

[man n black]

Ford makes a good product IMO and GM...well, GM makes a product.

The only other HD truck I'd even consider would be a the Ford version......simply bc I think the independent front suspension on the GMs is garbage for off roading.

Also I'd like to know the answer to those questions too. Significant updates to the Cummins engine and a legit transmission is a huge bonus in my book

 

[Docwagon1776]

Be sure to check out YouTube for Ford Eco-boost problems and chevy fuel management problems. It seems to me that these two guys have more problems than the RAM's.....but the jury is still out for the Huricane engine

Which vehicles don't have problems per YouTube, Edmunds user reviews, and forums?

Tens of thousands of machines, some will have a problem. Social media just tells you which videos make the most money by getting the most attention, not what the respective failure rates are. I *used* to have access to fleet data and that gives you a real good idea of downtime, maintenance costs, etc for different drive trains.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I haven't seen a reason yet to move on another HD Ram. The 6.4L Hemi is my thing until and unless a modern V8 is offered like GM & Ford did.

I'm milking my 6.4L and 66RFE trans until and unless they blow up.

Maybe if the Hurricane Engine is offered std in HD Ram @ 10,000 hp with 100 mile warranty I'd go for that.

 

[skidoorulz]

Out of curiosity how many colors exactly do you need to be available to you on a truck you may or may not purchase in order to be less angry at Ram? More than 8? But not more than 13, right?

More than 4. Eight would be nice.