3.21 vs 3.92 Gear Ratio...will not be towing much.

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Please point out where I have acted immaturely with Corneilous. I have been nothing but respectful. Sorry I triggered you with the large tire comment.

As for "losing out by going 3.21". He's losing nothing, because he will hit max payload before max towing.

Just the fact that you are so damn condescending/patronizing ... you keep posting comments about until someone learns this and than and understands and just added the "When you hop in with your wife and a properly setup WDH, and attach a trailer at 8000 pounds, you probably hit max payload." comment ... I would of honestly popped you straight in the mouth just because of how condescending you have been about this whole conversation ...

Key phrase here is "will not be towing much" and you decided to add the payload argument in there dude ... he wanted to know what he was losing and before I even came into the discussion this thread turned into a back and forth between you and Corns ... with you being as condescending as anyone can be ... you seem to think that he doesn't understand what you are saying but honestly IMO you are the one who doesn't understand the whole point of this thread to begin with ...

That is how you are being immature .. I don't have to point a particular comment of your as almost every post you have added to this thread has been you being the only one who knows and understands how gears and ratios between a 3.21 and 3.92 act on the highway ....

Fact is you are probably not an engineer for these trucks and you know just as much as we do about how the gears and ratios for 3rd, 4th and 5th gears act and all the other numbers you decided to throw out there ... and the "This is why I have a hard time believing the 3.92 guys," shouldn't be hard to believe ... the 3.92 will in fact accelerate better than the 3.21 out on the highway from 60-70 mph and I can say this because I personally have experienced it ...

I have been in a 3.21, 3.55, 3.92, 4.56 , 4.88 and 5.13 geared trucks so I can tell you what they all feel like and that all is probably irrelevant anyways ...

But seriously dude ... your arguments might of been valid or needed if talking about towing or RPMs on trucks with 3.21s vs 3.92s ... but the OPs question didn't merit you trying to educate one person for 2 days about how he doesn't understand and should understand and believe what you say about these trucks lol ...

 

[Farmer Fran]

3.91 = better for 0 to *** mph
3.21 = better for MPG

How much those numbers matter depends on how you drive.

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

It's more like 2 to 3 mpg. It's very easy for me to say that, because I can drop my truck into 7th or 8th on the freeway and look at the difference in "instant consumption". When you're talking 20 mpg, losing 3 puts you at 17. 3/20 = 15 percent decrease in MPG. That is very significant. Given that he prioritizes MPG, tows a light trailer, why would you suggest he purchase a truck that gets 15 percent worse fuel "just in case" he decides to tow more than 8000 pounds, which he probably can't do anyways because he can't carry that much weight in the truck?

And by the way, there is no way you are ever hitting 25 MPG on the highway in your current rig.

LOL **** about 2 to 3 mpg ? really .... oh and just because you say I wont ever hit 25 mpg I wont ? LOL ! come on man ! ... get off your high horse billy bad ass lol ...

Just because he prioritized MPGs doesn't mean "we" shouldn't recommend/suggest that he get a 3.92 ..again dude learn to comprehend what you read ... he asked a specific question which was what would he be losing correct ? .. he would in fact lose the ability to tow more efficiently without a 3.92 by choosing a 3.21 regardless of whether you want to believe it or not ... IT IS A FACT !

Unlike others I am done with you though ... I don't have time for someone like you that just wants to throw back handed passive aggressive comments around to everyone who doesn't agree with him ...

 

[ramffml]

Just the fact that you are so damn condescending/patronizing ... you keep posting comments about until someone learns this and than and understands and just added the "When you hop in with your wife and a properly setup WDH, and attach a trailer at 8000 pounds, you probably hit max payload." comment ... I would of honestly popped you straight in the mouth just because of how condescending you have been about this whole conversation ...
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Yeah and you think I'm immature lol. Grow up, get some thicker skin or whatever, nothing of what I said has been condescending.

 

[ramffml]

LOL **** about 2 to 3 mpg ? really .... oh and just because you say I wont ever hit 25 mpg I wont ? LOL ! come on man ! ... get off your high horse billy bad ass lol ...

Just because he prioritized MPGs doesn't mean "we" shouldn't recommend/suggest that he get a 3.92 ..again dude learn to comprehend what you read ... he asked a specific question which was what would he be losing correct ? .. he would in fact lose the ability to tow more efficiently without a 3.92 by choosing a 3.21 regardless of whether you want to believe it or not ... IT IS A FACT !

Unlike others I am done with you though ... I don't have time for someone like you that just wants to throw back handed passive aggressive comments around to everyone who doesn't agree with him ...

You could have been "done with me" without posting your comment too. Just leave if your done.

You won't get 25 mpg in your truck. I know that because of how hard I had to work to get that in mine. Bigger tires, lift, 3.92, yeah it isn't going to happen.

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

3.91 = better for 0 to *** mph
3.21 = better for MPG

How much those numbers matter depends on how you drive.

I agree with you ... with the 3.21s if I was driving like a nut I would easily dip down in the low 12s and 13 mpg range with and without the 37s I have on now ... same thing now .. I can easily equate mpg with the 37s and 4.88s driving normally ...

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

What im getting right now ..

And that's me driving my truck having fun in town... if I drove it normally I hit 17 to 19 mpg easily around town


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[corneileous]

So the premise of your argument is: "just ignore the payload because nobody really checks anyway"? That's not responsible.

Most travel trailers are on average 13% tongue weight. Some are more or less, depending on floor layout. They all have stickers telling you some combination of dry and loaded weight, so multiply your wet weight by 0.13 to get tongue weight; but yes, best to run over a CAT scale.

I didn’t really say ignore it, I just said more or less who actually takes the time to check it? Big difference. And even though I might question it a little but on what payload my truck can actually safely withstand, if I ever was to exceed that, and if I knew that by taking advantage of the little scale that’s on my receiver hitch or if I did decide to go down to the local truckstop where the cat scale was, it wouldn’t be by much but I guarantee you, my truck wouldn’t be squatting the ground, slowly grinding away at my safety chains like I see so many people do.

To answer your question: "what does that tell you, that if people feel the need to put 10 ply tires on a halfton truck", stock tires are chosen to be soft and cushy and get highest MPG. I also purchased new tires because towing my trailer felt squishy. That was only at 5000 pounds, well before my 8000 pound limit so I'm not surprised by people putting on beefier tires. My new tires are Michelin and have a firmer sidewall, though they are not 10 ply, I look forward to trying them out.

That may be part of it but I think I stand more with what I said about why the maximum reason would be for somebody to feel the need to put 10 ply tires on a halfton truck is probably because they are taking advantage of that 11,000 pound trailer tow rating to where even an eight ply tire would be actually beneficial.

But as far as all that goes, I can’t really comment too much on that because when I mentioned earlier that I had to take my buddies Mustang down there to the transmission shop, I did that when I was still driving on those eight ply BFG all-terrain‘s I had. But, I didn’t have them inflated to 65 pounds either. I think at the time I might’ve had them aired up to 50 but that was it.

And as far as the only time when I’ve ever towed anything somewhat heavy for a long distance was with my old 2008 ram when I pulled a fully loaded 6 x 12 U-Haul trailer down here in Oklahoma from eastern Colorado. I did that on the factory tires that came with that truck which is pretty much the same tire that used to come on all of our halftons factory before they started putting those 22s on there and my truck did perfectly fine with those p-rated tires so of course that’s why I can’t really see the justification of heavy eight ply or 10 ply tires on a halfton but hey, if you feel it works then by all means spend the money on those heavy tires. I’m not telling anybody not to I’m just saying I don’t agree with it.


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[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Here us another one just a few thousand miles earlier ...notice the range of 387 miles with an average of 14.8 ? Those are in town miles by the way ...

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[ramffml]

Those pics are meaningless. Show pics of you hitting 25 mpg, like this one of my truck below:

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Those pics are meaningless. Show pics of you hitting 25 mpg, like this one of my truck below:

I never said I hit 25 mpg did I ? and they are not meaningless ... that shows that you don't need 3.21s to get 15 mpg in town which is what most people actually have a hard time getting just with 3.21s anyways ... I am getting 15 mpg with 37 inch tires on 4.88s driving normally around town ... if I take a nice long trip "just for you" I will take a picture if I happen to reach or get close to 25 mpg ok ? that way you can go to sleep easily ...

I am not driving a truck to get the best MPG so that is not my priority so you might be waiting for a while to see that picture just so you understand ok? lol ...

 

[ramffml]

I didn’t really say ignore it, I just said more or less who actually takes the time to check it? Big difference. And even though I might question it a little but on what payload my truck can actually safely withstand, if I ever was to exceed that, and if I knew that by taking advantage of the little scale that’s on my receiver hitch or if I did decide to go down to the local truckstop where the cat scale was, it wouldn’t be by much but I guarantee you, my truck wouldn’t be squatting the ground, slowly grinding away at my safety chains like I see so many people do.



That may be part of it but I think I stand more with what I said about why the maximum reason would be for somebody to feel the need to put 10 ply tires on a halfton truck is probably because they are taking advantage of that 11,000 pound trailer tow rating to where even an eight ply tire would be actually beneficial.

But as far as all that goes, I can’t really comment too much on that because when I mentioned earlier that I had to take my buddies Mustang down there to the transmission shop, I did that when I was still driving on those eight ply BFG all-terrain‘s I had. But, I didn’t have them inflated to 65 pounds either. I think at the time I might’ve had them aired up to 50 but that was it.

And as far as the only time when I’ve ever towed anything somewhat heavy for a long distance was with my old 2008 ram when I pulled a fully loaded 6 x 12 U-Haul trailer down here in Oklahoma from eastern Colorado. I did that on the factory tires that came with that truck which is pretty much the same tire that used to come on all of our halftons factory before they started putting those 22s on there and my truck did perfectly fine with those p-rated tires so of course that’s why I can’t really see the justification of heavy eight ply or 10 ply tires on a halfton but hey, if you feel it works then by all means spend the money on those heavy tires. I’m not telling anybody not to I’m just saying I don’t agree with it.


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I'm sure there are many who doing just that, putting on heavier tires because they're pulling heavy. But putting on heavier tires doesn't increase your payload, it simply carries the weight you do tow, better. So you can certainly put stronger tires on if you want to stabilize your 1500 pounds of payload load, but doing it to go past that, well, in the end they're still going past payload. The axles and suspension etc is only rated for so many pounds, putting on stronger tires doesn't change that.

 

[ramffml]

I never said I hit 25 mpg did I ? and they are not meaningless ... that shows that you don't need 3.21s to get 15 mpg in town which is what most people actually have a hard time getting just with 3.21s anyways ... I am getting 15 mpg with 37 inch tires on 4.88s driving normally around town ... if I take a nice long trip "just for you" I will take a picture if I happen to reach or get close to 25 mpg ok ? that way you can go to sleep easily ...

I am not driving a truck to get the best MPG so that is not my priority so you might be waiting for a while to see that picture just so you understand ok? lol ...

Let me quote you: "LOL **** about 2 to 3 mpg ? really .... oh and just because you say I wont ever hit 25 mpg I wont ? LOL ! come on man ! ... get off your high horse billy bad ass lol ..."

I love your own condescension here and in previous posts, by the way. Well done. I'm taking notes!

 

[Farmer Fran]

Ok i can take a screen shot of my 2020 limited CC 4x4 getting a lot better than 25mpg.

 

[ramffml]

Ok i can take a screen shot of my 2020 limited CC 4x4 getting a lot better than 25mpg.

Go for it. My comment was directed at CAG and his lifted truck.

 

[Farmer Fran]

Go for it. My comment was directed at CAG and his lifted truck.

All i am saying is you need to show the run time average. Did you do a quick reset? Or is this over 2 weeks, 2 hours. 2 minutes.

 

[tidefan1967]

For some reason the new body style trucks get noticeably better gas mileage. My buddy has a 2019 Laramie crew cab 4X4 with the Hemi “and” 3.92 gears and he regularly gets 20 mpg on the interstate by the EVIC. I rode hundreds of miles with him and I’ve seen it. That’s something that I’ve never seen in either of my two 4th gen trucks and the first one was a 2015 had the 3.21s, Hemi and 8spd auto.

 

[ramffml]

All i am saying is you need to show the run time average. Did you do a quick reset? Or is this over 2 weeks, 2 hours. 2 minutes.

Agreed. This was over the course of a 3 hour trip on the freeway. I did not reset, but it doesn't matter one way or the other, since when you run for that long the previous MPG is discarded. It's a rolling average, using only the last few hundred miles/kms.

So that 25 MPG is all freeway, and is accurate. I'm not doing a reset on the middle of the highway and then quickly taking a screen shot. It's also reproducible, I have done it several times and each time it's >= 23 mpg depending on how hard I try or if I'm in a hurry etc. It's also with MDS disabled BTW, I never use it.

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

All i am saying is you need to show the run time average. Did you do a quick reset? Or is this over 2 weeks, 2 hours. 2 minutes.

Take a look at the 2 pictures ... its over span of 1700 miles ... first picture was at 12992 and the 2nd was at 14724 ...

I can post more pictures at different stages of the odometer lol ... but just for you too I will do a quick reset next time I fill up ok ? lol

 

[Farmer Fran]

Agreed. This was over the course of a 3 hour trip on the freeway. I did not reset, but it doesn't matter one way or the other, since when you run for that long the previous MPG is discarded. It's a rolling average, using only the last few hundred miles/kms.

So that 25 MPG is all freeway, and is accurate. I'm not doing a reset on the middle of the highway and then quickly taking a screen shot. It's also reproducible, I have done it several times and each time it's >= 23 mpg depending on how hard I try or if I'm in a hurry etc. It's also with MDS disabled BTW, I never use it.

Mine sits about 20 on a run like that but weighs over 6k and has 3.92s