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6 copper 10 iron 3 aluminum and nada, beautiful report on the mos2 pup combo there. Perfect for a hemi, and the only year for the 6 speed, that truck is a keeper. You got 3.92's too? Maybe best truck made imo.
With truck prices, its a keeper for a long time! Mine since new, 4x4 with 3.92's.

But, I did add a full 3 gears to the '6' speed. :)

Copper has crept up over the last 30k; but it is still super low vs their universal averages. It's at 6 today, and had a low of 3; and a high of 8 at my first analysis at 75k miles.

If I have to put a 6.4L in it, I will!
 

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With truck prices, its a keeper for a long time! Mine since new, 4x4 with 3.92's.

But, I did add a full 3 gears to the '6' speed. :)

Copper has crept up over the last 30k; but it is still super low vs their universal averages. It's at 6 today, and had a low of 3; and a high of 8 at my first analysis at 75k miles.

If I have to put a 6.4L in it, I will!
That copper is most likely from mos2, but it is still low and the juice is worth the squeeze in a hemi and it's need for moly.
 

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With truck prices, its a keeper for a long time! Mine since new, 4x4 with 3.92's.

But, I did add a full 3 gears to the '6' speed. :)

Copper has crept up over the last 30k; but it is still super low vs their universal averages. It's at 6 today, and had a low of 3; and a high of 8 at my first analysis at 75k miles.

If I have to put a 6.4L in it, I will!

6.4L is a good truck engine (I've had it since 2018). But use the same caution about the lifter and cam oiling as with ANY gen 3 engine (high moly additized oil, short OCI's, etc. etc.).

Yeah, having the 3.92 axle is more for the RFE (4.10) than the ZF 8 speed. The ZF shifts where the engine needs to be for lower ratio axles - the RFE needs the help from higher ratio axles to keep it alive if towing heavy. I have the std 3.73 cause that's how dealer's spec'd their inventoried trucks, so I lock the RFE into 4th for highest gear. That's 1:1
 

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Latest sample. 5090 kms on oil, 9931 on rebuilt engine. Not sure why I always show lead, or why they flag it at only 6ppm. Not sure why my photos are so blurry on here, if anyone can help me figure that out lol
 
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Latest sample. 5090 kms on oil, 9931 on rebuilt engine. Not sure why I always show lead, or why they flag it at only 6ppm. Not sure why my photos are so blurry on here, if anyone can help me figure that out lol View attachment 575231

I cant even read what it nor enlarge it, so how about posting a copy that people can easily read!!
 

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Latest sample. 5090 kms on oil, 9931 on rebuilt engine. Not sure why I always show lead, or why they flag it at only 6ppm. Not sure why my photos are so blurry on here, if anyone can help me figure that out lol View attachment 575231

It's not so much that they ARE blurry, but that they appear to be, because the image is such a very low resolution.

Without more information from you I doubt anyone can help. Why don't you begin by telling us how you got this image from your phone/computer and loaded to the forum?

With that info we can probably point out alternatives for a readable image.

Your image is only 80kb file size and 96dpi (dots per inch), very low resolution.
File should probably be over 500kb at least, and closer to 300dpi minimum.
 

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I cant even read what it nor enlarge it, so how about posting a copy that people can easily read!!
The photo is taken on an Iphone 16, not exactly a poor resolution camera. When I post it, for some reason the quality goes to hell for some reason, i will keep trying to edit it. I added the photo through my phone, the photo itself is 3mp 1179x571 KB.
 

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The photo is taken on an Iphone 16, not exactly a poor resolution camera. When I post it, for some reason the quality goes to hell for some reason, i will keep trying to edit it. I added the photo through my phone, the photo itself is 3mp 1179x571 KB.
I have the iPhone 15 pro max, I down load my photo direct from the I-cloud to desk top and post them here with out editing them and they look better, I'm not sure what's going on unless its a photo setting in iPhone 16 that this site does not like... Example of one of my photos below:

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Anybody care to offer your thoughts? Should I be concerned? This is my first analysis btw, so nothing to compare it to.
 

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Any ticking? You may have a lifter eating away at the cam
None that I’ve noticed. Was planning to do a cam kit plus a blower soon anyways. Guess I’ll find out then, if it lasts that long.
 

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None that I’ve noticed. Was planning to do a cam kit plus a blower soon anyways. Guess I’ll find out then, if it lasts that long.
There was another guy on bobs who had a bunch of UOAs showing low iron and then one showed almost 100ppm of iron and he did some short OCIs with analysis but the high iron remained. No noises but when he pulled the cam, there was some delamination of the surface some of the cam lobes. Could be whats going on here. I guess resample maybe after 1500-2500 miles, maybe even try a different oil next time see if anything brings the iron down
 

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Anybody care to offer your thoughts? Should I be concerned? This is my first analysis btw, so nothing to compare it to.
I wouldn't be worried, iron is a tad high but not quite in sweet spot for engine age and you are still on 20 weight, and my guess you drive on the hard side of center. I would however use this report to get off 20 weight, maybe a super class 0w40 close to cst12, or a real HP 30 weight such as super car HP 0w30, or since you are in the south redline 5w30. When you Toss those HP parts you will want a HP oil and not some random 20 weight. My guess most of the guys here will say the same.

If you are value minded get the super class 0w40, if you don't mind paying a little extra for the real isht, try either of last two.
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There was another guy on bobs who had a bunch of UOAs showing low iron and then one showed almost 100ppm of iron and he did some short OCIs with analysis but the high iron remained. No noises but when he pulled the cam, there was some delamination of the surface some of the cam lobes. Could be whats going on here. I guess resample maybe after 1500-2500 miles, maybe even try a different oil next time see if anything brings the iron down
I think this should work. All I hear are the injectors

 

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I wouldn't be worried, iron is a tad high but not quite in sweet spot for engine age and you are still on 20 weight, and my guess you drive on the hard side of center. I would however use this report to get off 20 weight, maybe a super class 0w40 close to cst12, or a real HP 30 weight such as super car HP 0w30, or since you are in the south redline 5w30. When you Toss those HP parts you will want a HP oil and not some random 20 weight. My guess most of the guys here will say the same.

If you are value minded get the super class 0w40, if you don't mind paying a little extra for the real isht, try either of last two.
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I’m running PUP 5w30, not 20, but I ain’t married to it and am definitely willing to try something else.
I definitely have a heavy right foot!
 

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I’m running PUP 5w30, not 20, but I ain’t married to it and am definitely willing to try something else.
I definitely have a heavy right foot!
30 weight is 9.3 to 12.5, Pennzoil is a very thin 5w30 and when you add biotech it becomes a 5w20. It isn't known for much shear, but that is possible as well. Working an engine hard can shred viscosity, you might even want to try 5w40. You might play around with it before you go high performance, because ending viscosity is what matters and it was at 20. Those last 2 oils I mentioned are known for not shredding visc, they stay thicker then most 0w40's at the end of an interval. Good luck to you, thanks for sharing your uoa.
 

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I'm starting to wonder if we should $hitcan PUP since the advent of API SP and the low viscosity requirement for HPI SC 0W-30?

It doesn't shear, is high 30 wt vis, has lots 'o moly. Only diff from Red Line is it doesn't have lots of POE ester base oil, it's PAO. But it does have AN additive that acts like ester.

i.e. use it all year for all vehicles? Otherwise you gotta UOA the PUP/other for wear, as Lake Speed says. It's hard for me to believe you wouldn't get higher wear from a little turbo engine during hot summers from a 20 wt oil instead of a 30 wt oil. Mazda says 5W-30, but like you say, PUP 5W-30 API SP is basically a high 5W-20.
 

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