E-Torque Start Stop VS Bearings

[mikeru]

Yes you are correct, its nothing but a burden if you don't use it, in my case Im living in the country, its highways and rural roads, it will do absolutely nothing for me, I cant speak for everyone else, but I don't want to pay for something expensive that will give me zero benefit.

I'm in the same boat as far as living in a rural area. No long duration stop lights to speak of. Very few opportunities for stop/start to even work. I noticed no loss in fuel economy by disabling stop/start. I don't really have a dog in the fight anymore since our current truck doesn't have etorque. But my daily driver Audi has a very similar mild hybrid system to the etorque. I don't keep stop/start enabled in that car either.

 

[Dusty]

Thanks for the reply, I was doing some research into cars in Europe, most of them are being switched over to start stops using various techniques, they basically had to meet almost impossible to impossible environmental rules forced by governments, needless to say when it comes to bad ideas, governments top the list, especially when telling auto engineers how to build cars.

Good point, especially governments in Europe. As a result of bad judgements my grandfather spent some time there in 1917-18, and two uncles and some brothers-in-law saw a lot of Europe in 1944-45.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 3 June 2018. Now at 83507 miles

 

[mick1]

Forgive me if this has been talked about, could you lead the the thread that does.

Im looking a possible problems the E-Toque can pose down the road from start stops, this cannot be good for things like crank and rod bearings, even though the engine is warm during these cycles I still find it hard to buy into, question arises, did FCM beef up internals like the main and rod bearings, or did they just slap the E-Torque system on the 5.7, in Canada you can still get a new 2023 without E-Torque, the kicker is when your looking to dress up a Limited 1500 and you want the salt type seats, your thrown into the Elite package, no problem with that, I like most of the stuff in that package, but to get it you must have the E-Torque, the mds 5.7 is called the 25K package and with E-Torque you get the 27K package, not that big of a deal as I can go with the Limited Longhorn and get what I want but different color seats all together, when your going to spend almost 100K on a truck, you sort of want to get what you want as close as possible.

There are plenty of people who are happy with E-Torque, but it looks like it hasn't been out long enough to determine any extra wear, and how much money are you actually saving vs wear, if your commuting in places like Los Angeles and Toronto every day, my thinking is you will have saved enough money at the end of the week to buy a box of prozac to calm you down from your weekly commutes.
Last but not least I don't want air suspension, there is going to be enough problems with electronics to put up with.

I don‘t like the noise made by using E-torque at all, so I just turn it off.

 

[Flynight]

Why just the E torque engine? Stop/start engines have been around for at least ten years. I am sure somebody somewhere would have questioned it by now. If someone would worry about it you can always turn the function off.
What are the salt type seats? That's a new one on me.

 

[Cabinetman]

Right now I plan to trade up towards the end of the year. If a Dodge I will get one W/O ET

 

[yrraljguthrie]

Teil me how it could be harder on the engine, bearing and whatnot when an engine is not running vs. idling for the length of the stop.

 

[yrraljguthrie]

Starting a car doesn't harm the engine. There is not any more wear on the bearings than when the engine is running. The harm of non-stop start engines is to the starter. There is no harm to bearings when the engine is stopped and the etorque motor spins the engine to get it started. There is no way the stop-start feature causes more wear on the engine. On the etorque the stop-start is virtually undetectable. What possible reason is there to turn it off? Other than the made-up reasons written on many forums. A lot of people don't understand the stop-start and makeup reasons to not like it. How can you hate something you can't even detect?

 

[HunterCat]

Starting a car doesn't harm the engine. There is not any more wear on the bearings than when the engine is running. The harm of non-stop start engines is to the starter. There is no harm to bearings when the engine is stopped and the etorque motor spins the engine to get it started. There is no way the stop-start feature causes more wear on the engine. On the etorque the stop-start is virtually undetectable. What possible reason is there to turn it off? Other than the made-up reasons written on many forums. A lot of people don't understand the stop-start and makeup reasons to not like it. How can you hate something you can't even detect?

I chose the non e-torque route because the system you "can't detect" provides little to no benefit whatsoever. It does, however, present significant downside: it's expensive to replace/repair and adds unnecessary complication to the powertrain.

For those that rent their truck and get a new one every few years, it's a non issue. For those that keep their trucks, this is going to be an expensive headache at some point down the road.

 

[Rockyw]

I use a Auto Start Eliminator and my start stop stuff is off all the time.

 

[yrraljguthrie]

For those that rent their truck and get a new one every few years, it's a non issue. For those that keep their trucks, this is going to be an expensive headache at some point down the road.

Stop-start has been around for over 5 years and has not presented a problem yet. I have not seen or heard any valid reasoning for not using it. You paid for it, it does some good why turn off something that you can't really tell if it's on or not? Any downside you have mentioned is something you think might happen in 5-10 years.