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2014 Ram sport, everything is factory. I have several issues that seem separate but may well all be connected. First of all the electronic shifter completely quit on me and I can’t move it at all anymore. No LEDs light up including for the 4WD/2WD/full time/part time either not just the gear selection. I also have been having issues with the wiper blades turning on and off on their own. Finally the center console controls all stopped working as well. No climate control, radio or volume control, no heated seats or steering wheel either. The touch screen does work but if I try to turn on heated seats it will show activated for 1-2 seconds then turn off on its own. Everything was hard reset yesterday as I just replaced the battery and all of the same issues are still present. I have not had any issues with the dashboard or any interior/exterior lights. Any guidance would be great, I’m no longer under warranty and want to avoid a several thousand dollar repair bill from the dealership since they’ll likely throw parts at it until things seem to work properly anyway.
 

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Did all of these problems start at the same time? If yes, then this is a head scratcher because; what is the connection between all issues? The one thing that would jump out to me is steering column, something wrong in there. I want to think clockspring but can't tie it all to that part.

If things happened at different times I would start with first problems. So if electronic shifting was first problem and it physically won't move that could be mechanical, try taking that switch part off and see if it moves. My limited idea is that it should move freely anytime but maybe there is an electronic lock. If this was first problem and appears broken then maybe worth replacing (and remove battery first before installing) and try a couple cycles of start/run/off to see if the selector works properly and if that might have been feed problems elsewhere.

I also suggest waiting for other ideas as someone might have another option, I just hate throwing parts at a problem without running through all cheap options.

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2014 Ram sport, everything is factory. I have several issues that seem separate but may well all be connected. First of all the electronic shifter completely quit on me and I can’t move it at all anymore. No LEDs light up including for the 4WD/2WD/full time/part time either not just the gear selection. I also have been having issues with the wiper blades turning on and off on their own. Finally the center console controls all stopped working as well. No climate control, radio or volume control, no heated seats or steering wheel either. The touch screen does work but if I try to turn on heated seats it will show activated for 1-2 seconds then turn off on its own. Everything was hard reset yesterday as I just replaced the battery and all of the same issues are still present. I have not had any issues with the dashboard or any interior/exterior lights. Any guidance would be great, I’m no longer under warranty and want to avoid a several thousand dollar repair bill from the dealership since they’ll likely throw parts at it until things seem to work properly anyway.

A coworker recently had similar issues.

The dealer found rat turds on the front strut mount, so started inspecting the wiring harness. He found a spot where several wires had been chewed through.

Also, I had similar experience once that was from my left foot accidentally opening the BCM connector cam lever in the driver side kick well.

Check connectors and inspect your wiring.
 
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A coworker recently had similar issues.

The dealer found rat turds on the front strut mount, so started inspecting the wiring harness. He found a spot where several wires had been chewed through.

Also, I had similar experience once that was from my left foot accidentally opening the BCM connector cam lever in the driver side kick well.

Check connectors and inspect your wiring.
Yeah that’s pretty much where I’m at. Going to check grounds and inspect as many connections points as I can find. Wondering if anyone has a good concept of the wiring layout and maybe there’s a bundle for these systems that converge at some point in the vehicle. I’m an electrician but not automotive unfortunately…
 

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My heated seats did the same thing when I got my truck, I guess the heating pads were bad because I replaced them and everything worked fine. Not sure about your other stuff though, have you checked any fuses?
 
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In the process of checking all of the fuses and continuity to ground. Several plugs and connections seemed loose but so far no luck. Ordered the Haines manual so I can pick through electrical diagrams too since I can’t find anything at all online.
 

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In the process of checking all of the fuses and continuity to ground. Several plugs and connections seemed loose but so far no luck. Ordered the Haines manual so I can pick through electrical diagrams too since I can’t find anything at all online.

Try pushing on all the fuses in the TIPM.

It seems that they work themselves loose and sometimes create electronic gremlins.

I found about 30% of mine loose after my truck was a few months old.

Otherwise, check all your common ground points, they may require refurbishment. :cool:

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So it seems like the design for the TIPM is total sh*t considering it’s completely exposed to moisture and not sealed with a gasket or anything like that. Genius level design by Chrysler on that one. So a few of the fuses and relays did seem to be a little loose, I didn’t get a chance to fire the truck up after checking them earlier but I will tomorrow. The ground immediately adjacent to the battery looks pretty rough but isn’t loose at all so I’ll redo that termination just in case. Otherwise a number of the fuses appeared to be slightly weathered which I can only assume means it’s just as bad if not worse in all the spots I can’t see inside and below the TIPM. Anyone know if there’s an aftermarket replacement that is sealed up? Otherwise is there possibly a control module of some sort between the fuses and the dash that perhaps could be effecting the entertainment console controls?

Sorry for the ridiculously long post but the other thing I found is that the control arm for the parking break has a lot of play and wasn’t contacting the little mechanism directly in front of it below the dash. Has a wire that goes to it and appears to be some sort of super basic contact closure possibly to just illuminate the dash icon for the console. Seems oddly low tech for such an overly tech centric vehicle. And then the parking break cable is sagging way too low as well. Can’t tell if there’s a clip or something that fell out or if the cable stretched but I rarely if ever use the parking break anyway so… Digging up one more thing after another over here as I go.
 

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We hear you, it is tough when things like this happen. You are in the great white north where temperature extremes and salt rule and this is hard on vehicles. I lived in far upstate NY and had similar issues with vehicles. I used to keep a beater and garage my new trucks in the winter. Checking all wires, fuses, and such while cleaning contacts is a great first step. Good luck.
 
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Got a company express van and a 2002 5 speed Jetta TDI with 275K on it that I’m keeping running until the day it dies. Certainly not in a bad spot with it stuck in the driveway but unfortunately so is the camper in the mean time . I’m doing a hard reset on the TIPM and draining all the capacitors, maybe a few things will come back to life and I can start checking some issues off the list. Sounds like these electrical issues are extremely common with Chrysler vehicles. Anyone know if there has ever been any sort of law suits or recalls related to the TIPMs that I could use to leverage some financial help on professional repairs to these issues? I read something about a class action lawsuit but I think the link was a scam to try and phish people
 

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Hey....I have an 02 J TDI too!! Yer a good man! ..ha ha

Here are some things I would investigate. I'll dole these out in order or easy to hard:

1) Do a battery load test: Get a cheap heater style load-tester from H/F and make sure your battery is good. Do this before the others b/c if it's not, you'd be wasting a lot of time. These trucks get wonky when the battery's fail. Even if it test fine with a VOM, they can still fail a *load* test. I've had it happen on my own Ram. Or take the battery out and to OReilly/Autozone/Advance/Napa, and let them test it...for free. Obviously make sure your battery grounds are good and all that. Like I say, it's worth it to cross the battery off the list of being good/bad before you go down the road too much. Even if the battery isn't very old.

2) Check/clean the major grounds: You already found the ground/s at the battery cables. There's the metal strap (positive) at the fuse box). But.... Above the driver's side front tire behind a plastic door, and back behind the fuel door by the filler neck area...there should be several Gnds there. These can get real rusty in the North. Take them apart and make sure they're good and clean if yours look trerrible. Again, there's one back by the fuel filler neck.

You might even want to add a wire from the Neg battery cable to the firewall....just to see if that helps anything. Or better yet, get a real ground strap from autozone. Since electron exchange occurs mostly on the exterior of wires, a fine-braded cable will work a lot better as a ground. That's why they use fine wires in cars. And like you say, make sure the ground to the engine and engine to frame/firewall are all good.

3) Corroded TIPM Connectors: If none of the ground fixes helped, ....The connectors under the TIPM can get corroded. That can cause wierd things. In fact there have been some owners in the NE who've had many wires at the TIPM connectors corrode back into the wires ..and needed to splice in a new connector (think of all the wires there!!). They had a bunch of odd gremlins too. So you might do a search for TIPM Computer Connectors...or something like that. You might dig down and look under the TIPM, disassemble a bit to the computer and inspect the connectors. There are videos on this. If you're lucky it's just corrosion and you can eat the corrosion away with some phosphoric acid (Menards) and put oil on them once they are clean of corrosion ....and be good after that. If that was the root problem..then it would be a pretty easy fix.

4) Rodents: Yeah that was good advice up above. This time of yr rodents (that includes squirrels) are looking for a place to go. And the harness is only half taped up!! There are a lot of places where wiring is exposed to munch on. If you're a hungry rodent, maybe a little strung-out from the cold, or just feel the need to work yer fangs down a bit...what could be better than a bunch of candy-colored wires!!! Ha ha. And maybe those wires are under the computer too. So go along the harness and very carefully inspecting things is another good idea.

5) It could be separate components too...and the shift control knobs do flake out. That's another possibility. Obviously if you don't find anything above, consider ordering a new knob.

Keep on Jetta-ing!! :waytogo:
 

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Total aside but I read the other day that the AMC plant in Kenosha WI was at the time (late 60's early 70's) probably the largest automotive plant in the world. Something like 5.7 million sq ft...which didn't include the large body plant that was located off-site. I thought that was kind of interesting.... probably only to me... :cheers:
 
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That plant is just a giant open field fenced in with barbed wire right smack dab in the middle of town these days. Pretty sure it’s undeveloped do to environmental issues. There’s been a ton of development (haribo, Amazon, ULine, and dozens of other major companies) out by the interstate over the last couple decades.

So far on the electrical issues I did find several grounds in and around the engine block that didn’t read well on the meter so I cleaned those up, one was hanging completely loose off the frame just inside the the drivers side wheel and below the radiator. I probably should have reassembled everything in the center console and checked for any improvements but I started digging through all of the fuses and connections in the TIPM. I’m barely 10% through the connections and have already found 3 ground faults and one dead short on the connector pins but so far no blown fuses. I’m just metering every component and every fuse as I go checking everything to ground on both sides of the pins. Starting to think I’ll likely find a point somewhere on the wiring harness that’s pretty beat up. Who knows, it may very well be the under side of the TIPM but at this point I’m going to just check everything. Found a guy called Mak that sells rebuilt and refurbished TIPMs for $350-$400. If it comes to that it beats the hell out of $1200 at the dealership and I often wonder if they know anymore about what they’re doing than I do. Sorry if that offends anyone but I’ve never had a good experience with dealership service so, is what it is.
 

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I’d start by checking battery and connections. Funky things happen when batttery is putting out slightly less power than the truck needs.
 
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I had the battery load tested and replaced it brand new before anything else. Right now I’m going through and cleaning all of the connections at the TIPM to eliminate corrosion and applying dialectic grease. We’ll see what all happens after this.
 

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I had the battery load tested and replaced it brand new before anything else. Right now I’m going through and cleaning all of the connections at the TIPM to eliminate corrosion and applying dialectic grease. We’ll see what all happens after this.

Great call on the TIPM being a horrid design.

It's quite unbelievable that there appears to be no effort to improve or replace the device.

It's a near-perfect example of a defective design and something that should be avoided because it is a constant common point of failure impacting multiple critical systems, especially with older vehicles.

I know at least 1 user, @CanuckRam1313 who regularly has his TIPM generously coated with Krown rust protection juice.

I plan to discuss this treatment approach with my local Krown outlet.

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There’s your problem!

Yeah talk about a sh*t design. There’s 4 pins snapped off too so a new TIPM is the order of the day I’d say

Is Kenosha, WI one of those places where road salt causes cars to rust all to ****?

I sure hope that isn't the kinda corrosion that I can look forward to in my TIPM.
 
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