First Ram!:) 3.0 inline 6

[Docwagon1776]

My "Limited" doesn't have that... it doesn't have park sense or wireless charging or power side steps or a decent stereo system
(hoping you can hear the bitterness)
But I do have the Hemi and 3.92 gearing - that's what I wanted.

I don't understand how my towing capacity exceeds the 2025 Limited (HO with 3.92s) by 2,000 lbs. It is supposed to have so much more HP and Torque than my V8 (and probably lighter). Doesn't make sense.

Reposting a reply I made to a similar question in another thread:

I'm not 100% sure, but I've got a solid guess that it boils down to heat shedding and knock resistance, and how those two things interact.

The HO is higher compression and higher output, it's going to be less resistant to knock and will need to pull timing earlier. Pulling timing earlier results in more heat due to more fuel consumption for the same level of power. More heat means it's harder for the engine's coolant system to shed that heat. These trucks use coolant to cool the turbos, not just oil, and use an electric water pump to keep coolant circulating even when the engine is off so heat shedding is a big deal for these.

 

[ramffml]

Reposting a reply I made to a similar question in another thread:

I'm not 100% sure, but I've got a solid guess that it boils down to heat shedding and knock resistance, and how those two things interact.

The HO is higher compression and higher output, it's going to be less resistant to knock and will need to pull timing earlier. Pulling timing earlier results in more heat due to more fuel consumption for the same level of power. More heat means it's harder for the engine's coolant system to shed that heat. These trucks use coolant to cool the turbos, not just oil, and use an electric water pump to keep coolant circulating even when the engine is off so heat shedding is a big deal for these.

The HO is lower compression than the SO, not higher, believe it or not. The SO did extremely well on a a recent TFL torture test, beating the Hemi and the GM v8's with lower temps. It ended up with just < 20 psi but oil choice (0w-20) plays a role and the engineers apparently already corrected this after seeing the test and recalibrated, whatever that means. The HO is built much stronger as well, they didn't just turn up the turbo to level 11 and call it a day.

It doesn't appear to be heat related. Most likely it's just because the 1500 tow rating is not power limited, but suspension/weight limited and adding more HP doesn't mean you can tow more than X pounds once you hit that magic number. Combine that with the fact that the HO only comes in the fancy/expensive/bloated trims (which means less room left for hauling/towing due to a heavier truck) and that's probably the more likely reason for lower tow ratings.

 

[HEMIMANN]

The HO is lower compression than the SO, not higher, believe it or not. The SO did extremely well on a a recent TFL torture test, beating the Hemi and the GM v8's with lower temps. It ended up with just < 20 psi but oil choice (0w-20) plays a role and the engineers apparently already corrected this after seeing the test and recalibrated, whatever that means. The HO is built much stronger as well, they didn't just turn up the turbo to level 11 and call it a day.

It doesn't appear to be heat related. Most likely it's just because the 1500 tow rating is not power limited, but suspension/weight limited and adding more HP doesn't mean you can tow more than X pounds once you hit that magic number. Combine that with the fact that the HO only comes in the fancy/expensive/bloated trims (which means less room left for hauling/towing due to a heavier truck) and that's probably the more likely reason for lower tow ratings.

What does TFL stand for?

 

[ramffml]

What does TFL stand for?

TheFastLane, youtube channel.

Edit: here is the video I mentioned about the SO doing better than Ford and GM.

(I cannot stomach Roman, that guy needs to stay out of videos he drags them all down IMHO. But Andre is pretty decent as far as YT reviewers go).

First The Silverado, Then the F-150 & Now the New Ram 1500 FAILS the TFL Towing Torture Test!

Save up to $1,300 on a Ford or Mopar (RAM, Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, Fiat) extended factory warranty for your new vehicle at Granger Motors! Ford: https://www.g...

www.youtube.com

 

[turkeybird56]

Well, remember a 3.0L turbo engine with that high an output is gonna be derated a lot for heavier loads.

This all goes back to advertising horsepower and fuel economy - not durability and heavy loads.

Unknowlegeable people are easily fooled. Until their engines break 4-5 years later.
I can hear it now - "why didn't it last?".

Physics doesn't cease to exist when salesmen say so.

Displacement not replacement. That 3.0 they can advertise all dem numbers I want to see real world stuff. Actually for me the 2025 be great as my truck only does some truck stuff mostly GG and other things. But to trade up and have to get at least a 25K note to park another truck to get dirty like my 2019 paid and 25K on odometer silly. If I could trade up and maybe 15K ahhhhhh maybe. But is kinda silly trade paid off GG for one owe big bucks on lol.

 

[turkeybird56]

The HO is lower compression than the SO, not higher, believe it or not. The SO did extremely well on a a recent TFL torture test, beating the Hemi and the GM v8's with lower temps. It ended up with just < 20 psi but oil choice (0w-20) plays a role and the engineers apparently already corrected this after seeing the test and recalibrated, whatever that means. The HO is built much stronger as well, they didn't just turn up the turbo to level 11 and call it a day.

It doesn't appear to be heat related. Most likely it's just because the 1500 tow rating is not power limited, but suspension/weight limited and adding more HP doesn't mean you can tow more than X pounds once you hit that magic number. Combine that with the fact that the HO only comes in the fancy/expensive/bloated trims (which means less room left for hauling/towing due to a heavier truck) and that's probably the more likely reason for lower tow ratings.

Wish I could get Bighorn just level 2 stuff and HO motor. Not need all dat other fancy stuff U pay big bucks for

 

[HEMIMANN]

Yep - there's a place for some tech, but people expect more than 100,000 mile longevity these days, and pushing engines to the moon for power is the opposite direction.

A top fuel engine makes 10,000 hp - for a lifespan of 36 seconds.

 

[ramffml]

Wish I could get Bighorn just level 2 stuff and HO motor. Not need all dat other fancy stuff U pay big bucks for

Well I'm not wishing for the HO in the least, but, if I had to buy a new truck and the turbos are the only option, I'd only consider a tradesman/bighorn with the HO.

Since Ram wants to play games and restrict the better engine and bankrupt you in the process, they can jump off a cliff. Later Ram, I'll go somewhere else thanks.

That's the best part of not being brand loyal. They don't care you or I, so I certainly don't care about them. Someone else will offer a better package and I just wave goodbye.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Well I'm not wishing for the HO in the least, but, if I had to buy a new truck and the turbos are the only option, I'd only consider a tradesman/bighorn with the HO.

Since Ram wants to play games and restrict the better engine and bankrupt you in the process, they can jump off a cliff. Later Ram, I'll go somewhere else thanks.

That's the best part of not being brand loyal. They don't care you or I, so I certainly don't care about them. Someone else will offer a better package and I just wave goodbye.

That's how a lot of arrived here in the first place, right? By getting pi$$ed @ GM & Ford. Those two still aren't any great shakes but Ram went way backwards due to European buyouts.

 

[Marshall]

What does TFL stand for?

I watched the video while back, one thing to remember, it was a hotter day and they had a heavier load then the other ones, The truck over heated after they stopped at the top of the run and let it idle slow, so not much air movement. If they had kept the speed at 1200rpm , it would have been fine.
BTW , I use to run 0-30 oil in winter motor when it was -30to -40 temps , not +90degrees.
Bad enough with 5-20 these days.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I watched the video while back, one thing to remember, it was a hotter day and they had a heavier load then the other ones, The truck over heated after they stopped at the top of the run and let it idle slow, so not much air movement. If they had kept the speed at 1200rpm , it would have been fine.
BTW , I use to run 0-30 oil in winter motor when it was -30to -40 temps , not +90degrees.
Bad enough with 5-20 these days.

For how long, is the point. Anybody can get an engine to last for a little while.

 

[Marshall]

I have no idea, I was just commenting on your question, this motor has been around for a while I understand, never had anything to do with one.

 

[Six Turboed]

More nanny’s!!. I wanted to creep forward and I had a door open! WRONG!!! That thing went into park stopped and told be what to do!! For the life of me I can not figure out how or why someone would write a program to react like that and use so much data to perform all that BS! I am thinking it’s a wonder why sometimes these computers in these vehicles throw a brain tilt and makes the whole system go off center!! There is no longer get in car turn key put in D and push on the gas. Way to many things going on at once in these new vehicles, way to many electronic components.
Please remember to never put a plastic bag over your head!!

 

[MD Sledhead]

More nanny’s!!. I wanted to creep forward and I had a door open! WRONG!!! That thing went into park stopped and told be what to do!! For the life of me I can not figure out how or why someone would write a program to react like that and use so much data to perform all that BS! I am thinking it’s a wonder why sometimes these computers in these vehicles throw a brain tilt and makes the whole system go off center!! There is no longer get in car turn key put in D and push on the gas. Way to many things going on at once in these new vehicles, way to many electronic components.
Please remember to never put a plastic bag over your head!!

It's big government and big business trying to stave off "natural selection". Real PITA.

Why would someone write a program that shut the engine off before you came to a complete stop (eTorque)... why not have a 3 second delay so I'm not rolling through stop signs?

Speaking of that... how do i turn the seatbelt chime off?
I tried the tactics listed here on older trucks, but it didn't seem to work in my 2024.

 

[HEMIMANN]

It's too many coder Bro's left to do whatever they want. I saw this happen at work and no chief engineers reigned them in.

Now we have unworkable technoglitz mobiles. The Navy cancelled an entire shipbuilding class because too much software made it useless. The Admiral Zumwalt class ships. I know because a colleague worked on it. It took them 3 years to get it to function. Yeah, that'll be real reliable in combat. wtaf

 

[Six Turboed]

SOFTWARE UPDATE!!

I posted this is the Audio section also, I thought I should put it here too???

I had a software update notice when I pulled into the driveway. It read "put in park and do not operate because some systems will not work" I did so and things started going on and off and flashing.
Two days before I called the dealer and asked if there was any notices about a glitch in the stereo. All of the sudden I was not able to tap on my music and have the artist and song come up and take up the whole screen from my play list on Pandora. I just had a phone update the other day so I did not think much of it and the dealer told me there was nothing in his system about that. The update took 15 minutes or more and when done I put it in the garage and parked it. Monday morning I went out and started it turned on my stereo hit my play list and everything was back to normal YAY!!! . The artist and song covered the whole screen, I then backed up put it in drive and pressed on the pedal and WOW!!! there was not a herky jerky start!!! I thought maybe it was just a fluke so I pulled up to the stop sign then proceeded to go down the road. When I pressed on the accelerator the take off was very very smooth, no hesitation, and no herky jerky movements! WOW!! I was and still am very happy they did something to stop that from take off from a stop. The shifting is very smooth, sharp, and very smooth like the engine is now. Everything!!! is working as should and there is absolutely nothing that I have any questions about! I am glad they did the fix for the tyranny/torque converter/shifting, or what ever it was and also the glitch that started to happen with my stereo! This happened on the 27th early afternoon.
I just wish the stereo went to 111!! HA!

 

[Six Turboed]

Thank goodness for seat warmers! They are nice!! Need to get this last day of cold behind us so we can get back to the 60s!!!

 

[Six Turboed]

A couple weeks ago I was looking at the apparel stuck on the tail gate. Was going to take it off because I was going to take it off. Nope not going to happen! HA!!! Ram decided to poke hole in the tailgate to apply STUFF.
Maybe some day I will take it off, weld the holes then take it to an airbrush artist and have them paint the tailgate for me. In the meantime the STUFF stays where it is! I do not understand an automobile maker putting unnecessary holes in the metal, at some point it could be a place that might cause an issue or two. Just my thought for the day.

 

[Six Turboed]

Lost track of time. Here is a short 8 month update. I am still a Ram 1500 SST 4x4 CrewCab enthusiast. After the first two hiccups the truck has ran perfectly. It is still a much more comfortable ride than my ole 21. It has ran and performed flawlessly. I am still amazed at what looks to me as a 4 Link RearEnd, it is beefy, and they come with so much built in a person really does not have to add much to make one their own. The stereo kicks butt, the interior is comfortable, and it is a pleasantly silent truck. Sometimes I have to look at the tach to see if it is running.

These are nice trucks and I am sooo glad I bought this one!!!

 

[TruckNut]

Glad to hear you are enjoying it. I drove one and was amazed at how quiet it was and how fast it scooted when you just touched the gas. Always loved inline sixes for their smoothness. Hope they keep this engine around after they reintroduce the hemi. It is remarkable.