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Apparently I've not gotten this information to totally soak in and my mechanical aptitude is lacking on the subject.

Running factory open 3.55. This will be last on my list of mods but I need to understand. Replacing diff to LSD is not same as changing gearing? Can gearing be changed without changing diff? If I go from 3.55 to 3.92, can this be compensated for in trinity tuner?
I have no real NEED for LSD but am looking for the options. Am I to understand if I want to add Auburn/detroit locker/tru-track I need to replace/machine a bunch of stuff? If I need to do all that, I will pass on the whole LSD idea.
 

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Let me look for a thread that discusses these things for our 11+ year models. Ram switched to a new axle and regearing in our models can't be done in the front yet (4x4 only), unless you change to a 09-10 front axle. The rear has to be machined to regear, and from what I've gathered it's recommended to go with an OEM LSD.
 
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Ah yes, the front diff is limiting changing gearing. GOT IT!
So then my question applies to : can the factory gear 3.55 be used with Auburn/Detroit (locker or TT), OEM LSD?
 

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I believe the Detroit will work based on the thread I posted. Take a look at that thread and you should find everything you need. But IMO, I wouldn't open the diff just for an LSD. I'd rather wait to regear to put in an LSD of some sort that way it can all be done at once instead of having to pay more money down the road when I regear. Just something to think about.
 

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Swapping to 3.92 is simple as it's a factory option, but pricey. For the front you can just buy a complete diff to swap, then the rear just have the gears changed. Going to the factory anti spin shouldn't need any machining...
 

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I believe that going to an lsd requires one of the rear axle shafts being changed as well.
 
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Thanks guys. I'm just going over the potential options and pumpkins are not something I know anything about. The diff itself is totally different subject compared to gearing (ring and pinion).
An LSD is not something I'm pining over since at this time it doesn't hinder the function my truck sees.
 

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The reason 2wd guys would usually add the lsd when doing a gear swap, is because the extra punch would just smoke one tire on a hard launch with open diff. This was my problem, and that is why I did both the gears and the lsd.

You have 4x4, so that problem wouldn't apply to you.
 

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On the front, the gear is welded to the carrier, you can't just swap gears. So it's easier to just swap the whole diff.
 

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The reason 2wd guys would usually add the lsd when doing a gear swap, is because the extra punch would just smoke one tire on a hard launch with open diff. This was my problem, and that is why I did both the gears and the lsd.

You have 4x4, so that problem wouldn't apply to you.


uh....Yes it will, unless he drives around in 4wd all the time.

Otherwise, he wil have the exact same problems your 2wd does. Just because it is a 4wd doesn't mean it doesn't have the same traction issues a 2wd does.

When not in 4wd, it is nothing more than a slightly heavier 2wd, which can actually make it have even more wheel spin since it has more weight to get moving.
 
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uh....Yes it will, unless he drives around in 4wd all the time.

Otherwise, he wil have the exact same problems your 2wd does. Just because it is a 4wd doesn't mean it doesn't have the same traction issues a 2wd does.

When not in 4wd, it is nothing more than a slightly heavier 2wd, which can actually make it have even more wheel spin since it has more weight to get moving.

I am talking about off the line on hard launches, my friend. The OP stated that he does not need lsd with his regular driving habits.

When launching 2wd with open diff you smoke ONE tire. In 4wd you have TWO, double the traction. Obviously, lsd adds alot more traction, there's no arguing that.

I would have never done the lsd, if I was not trying to get off the line faster. I don't have rain, snow or any off-roading to deal with, so I would have had no use for an lsd with normal driving. The only reason I got lsd was because I got tired of one-wheel-peels.

Some people should swap gears for better acceleration, some should get lsd for better traction, some should do both. It totally depends on your driving habits and what you are trying to accomplish. :)
 
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I'd like to get an edge on my launches when my inner child kicks in. As I said, basically last on my list IF I even do it.
Ultimately in a perfect world, I'd like to locker front and rear like my dad did to his '78 cherokee. Absolute monster that truck was.
This is not in any future solid plans, that's for damn sure.
You guys are great, love the feedback and opinions.
 

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I am talking about off the line on hard launches, my friend. The OP stated that he does not need lsd with his regular driving habits.

When launching 2wd with open diff you smoke ONE tire. In 4wd you have TWO, double the traction. Obviously, lsd adds alot more traction, there's no arguing that.

I would have never done the lsd, if I was not trying to get off the line faster. I don't have rain, snow or any off-roading to deal with, so I would have had no use for an lsd with normal driving. The only reason I got lsd was because I got tired of one-wheel-peels.

Some people should swap gears for better acceleration, some should get lsd for better traction, some should do both. It totally depends on your driving habits and what you are trying to accomplish. :)

To begin with, lets get some things straightened out here...

An LSD doesn't add any traction at all, since by definition traction is the gripping power of the tire on the road surface. An LSD won't change this at all.

What an LSD WILL change, is the ability for both rear tires to use the available torque by forcing the torque to be split between the 2 sides of the rear axle instead of letting it all go to one side only.

Changing gears won't add traction either, but it will make it easier to USE the available traction.

Yes, in 4wd, you have 2 tires pulling, 1 in front, and 1 in the rear, but you will still probably smoke one tire as most of the torque goes to the rear axle anyway, but when you launch hard, the weight transfer actually lifts the front end, so if the torque split was even, you'd could actually smoke the front tire, not the rear. If you look at the truck in my avatar, I had to drive it one time in fwd due to a shattered rear driveshaft, and in fwd only, it would spin the front tires at will, since the engine torque caused the weight transfer to lift the front end, unloading the tires enough for them to spin. You could actually see it happening.

If you are launching in 4wd on high traction surfaces, you are not too smart and are asking for a broken drivetrain, since 4wd is NOT supposed to be used in such high traction cases, as it will bind and break due to the minor gearing differences in the front & rear axles.

Lastly, '1 wheel peels' as you call it is the only reason anyone gets lsd....cuz with the traction control on todays trucks, you don't need LSD 99% of the time anyway.

I only have it because it was part of the towing package and to make pulling my boat up nasty slippery boat ramps in 2wd safer. It is also nice when it snows around here.

For off-roading I have a couple of jeeps to use.
 
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1. I think the OP understood my humble opinion, even though my terminology wasn't perfect.
2. There are a number of guys on here that launch their trucks in 4wd with no problem. Tell them "they aren't too smart."
3. No one said that changing gears would add traction, if anything it could increase burn outs, especially without lsd.
4. So I got the lsd to prevent one-wheel-peel, and "that's the only reason anyone gets it." What's the point in saying that?

Why are you picking apart my posts, rather than addressing the OPs questions and concerns???
 
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Easy now gentlemen, just some friendly Q&A.
I got where you were coming from Davidram and appreciate it. TRCM I also appreciate your clarification, though I'm not THAT green to take DR word for word by definition.
The greater question after I was reminded about not have options for front end gearing, am I capable of taking my 3.55 ring and pinion and install a LSD with those gears?
 

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The only 'reason' I was 'picking anything apart' was because someone made the following statement regarding an LSD, "You have 4x4, so that problem wouldn't apply to you", which is 100% wrong.

And yes, I WILL tell people who launch their trucks in 4wd on high traction surfaces they aren't too smart, heck, point them out and I will even call them stupid!, cuz 1) the owners manual says not to use 4wd on high traction surfaces, and 2) common sense dictates not to use it in such cases if you know how it works & is built, and 3) I have seen 1st hand (& had to pay for it) what happens when a tcase grenades because 4wd was being used on a high traction surface.

Maybe no one said outright that gears would add traction, but when someone says that adding an LSD will, I have no choice but to assume they think changing the gearing will as well, so I explained that it didn't either.

And so far as anyone getting an LSD and the reason, I stated it because it is true.

Not specifically picking apart your posts, just correcting some wrong info that was put out....don't take it personal....it wasnt meant that way.
 

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Aside from the terminology, wrong or right is sometimes a matter of opinion, preferrence and application.

Especially, with off-road vs. street performance.
 
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Aside from the terminology, wrong or right is sometimes a matter of opinion, preferrence and application.

Especially, with off-road vs. street performance.

True, like in the case of putting a locker in the front axle. I'd never do it due to the problems it can give with steering, but many do.

But in this case, an LSD will benefit 2wd as well as 4wd, since 99% of the time a 4wd is used as a 2wd. Simple fact, no opinion or preference.
 
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But in this case, an LSD will benefit 2wd as well as 4wd, since 99% of the time a 4wd is used as a 2wd. Simple fact, no opinion or preference.

Agree with the first sentence.

That's why I did lsd, too. But I only needed it AFTER adding power to the truck.
Prior to the mods, I had no problem at all with the open diff... and had I not added some power, I would have never got the lsd.

That is what I meant by "opinion, preferrence and application."
 
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