How to stop the startup tick. change to different oil?

[El_Dude]

Ok well I'll see this weekend

 

[El_Dude]

Oil is changed with Royal Purple 5w-30 and the bigger RP filter. The oil filter fit perfectly with no issues. It feels like that's the size it's supposed to be as the width matches up perfectly with the width of the mount it goes on. See pic.



Didn't hear any startup tick, but i'll give a couple weeks and see if anything comes up.

 

[Burla]

It is very possible just that filter can often keep tick away from a truck that used the smaller filter, not the first time we heard that. The 10-48 size filter should be avoided by all rams that can use the larger one. There is documented issues with the smaller filter, not only ram but GM as well. These small filters are for 4 banger ricers, not a thirsty for full flow v8. Even if you don't throw a code, the larger filter is still the better choice for everything. It isn't an amsoil thing either, they just have enough scruples to report it, it was the first time ram went to a tiny filter, no brand of filter would matter, just a bad idea imo.

This is the bulletin..

AMSOIL EA15K50 Oil Filter Temporarily Not Recommended for Select Ram and GM Applications
AMSOIL is no longer recommending the AMSOIL EA15K50 Oil Filter for 2007-2013 GM vehicles with the 5.3L engine and 2013-current Ram vehicles with the 5.7L or 6.4L engines. Do not be alarmed if you are currently using one of these filters on one the listed vehicles. AMSOIL is acting out of an abundance of caution. AMSOIL has sold thousands of these filters to customers who use them on the listed applications, a very small percentage has reported gauges or check-engine lights indicating slightly lower than normal oil pressure.
AMSOIL’s industry-leading high-efficiency media removes more particles of smaller sizes than most competing filters to better prevent engine wear. In the GM and Ram applications listed, the EA15K50 Filter is capturing a large number of deposits and reaching its holding capacity before the end of its recommended service life in a small number of instances. This can result in reduced flow and overall oil pressure, but in no way harms the engine. AMSOIL Oil Filters include a bypass relief valve to ensure appropriate oil volume is always delivered to critical components.
Rather than cause some customers unnecessary concern, we are recommending the WIX 57060 or Donaldson P550794 in place of the EA15K50 in 2007-2013 GM 5.3L engines and 2013-current Ram 5.7L and 6.4L engines. They are high-quality filters, but will not capture as many small particles as the AMSOIL Oil Filter does, and they are designed for shorter service intervals.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Oil is changed with Royal Purple 5w-30 and the bigger RP filter. The oil filter fit perfectly with no issues. It feels like that's the size it's supposed to be as the width matches up perfectly with the width of the mount it goes on.

Didn't hear any startup tick, but i'll give a couple weeks and see if anything comes

Watch your oil pressure, is there any difference you can see after this most recent
oil/filter change?

I was using PUP 5w-20 when I first pulled the small filter and installed a 20-820, and I really didn't notice a change in anything. Nothing wrong, but nothing changed.

My most recent is using Red Line 5w-30 and a Purolator Boss PBL24651 filter, same larger size as the RP 20-820. And now my engine idles noticeably more quiet, but that can be subjective.

The big change was my oil pressure. With 5w-20 my hot idle pressure would go as low as 32-33 psi and up to 55 psi hot on the highway.

Now I see hot idle at 40-41 psi and 64 - 67 psi on the highway, occasionally hitting 70 psi if I'm really getting hard on it.

My idle is still at factory set of 500 - 550 rpm.

 

[El_Dude]

I never even looked at my oil pressure before but I’ll try to remember to check it when I drive to work tomorrow. Is the pressure that high a bad thing?

 

[Barr2255]

its just like 2-seconds when i first start the truck. I've tried lots of oils, Pennzoil ultra diamond ruby platinum whatever its called and still get the tick. it's not on every start-up, maybe half the time. should I try royal purple or something that will "stick" better to the parts that are I guess drying out when engine has been sitting?

edit: just noticed i already asked this question in 2021 LOL. I never did try the Amsoil, I'll have to find some..

Honestly I’m not a fan of penzoil, every motor that I’ve seen opened up that has run Penzoil exclusively has a bright red varnish build up, even at low miles. My dad originally showed me this (he built lots of sprint car and 1/4 mile cars)

With that said I’m sure there are people that are going to want to jump my throat on that. It’s irrelevant. A good oil filter is the best starting point. Wix or KNN. There are others that are good but if a Wix or KNN doesnmt fix your dry start up then the other filters won’t either. Redline oil, mobile one are great oils and no one can argue that. If you use one of those oils and one of the filters mentioned above and the issue persists it’s something mechanical in the engine that’s having an issue. I’m not saying the engine is going to fail heck it might run up to 500k miles who knows. I’m just saying if you have a quality oil and filter an it persists something else is to blame.

 

[Barr2255]

You have 62 ram forum Members votes are public that would disagree you cant kill start up tick. Hemi tick is generally start up tick. This is usually the cheapest out there, problem being it is only 6 pack. I would punch in 2010 hemi ram into any oil filter filament chart and it will lead you to the larger filter, those small filters restrict flow pure fact.

I’ve never had any start up clatter on my 2015 since I’ve owned it. Even when the lifter had collapsed and chewed up the cam. No start up clatter. Short trip or long trip. I’ve only run mobile one or redline with a KNN filter and sometimes a WIX if I couldn’t get the KNN in a timely manner.

I’m not trying to cause an up roar but it’s just my experience.

 

[MrCody Yellow Lab]

Here's my take! Change the oil more often, add some additive to the oil, they are probably just bleeding down, or sticking! The tick is only a problem if it doesn't go away! I have replaced a cam and lifters in a charger, which was the cam lost it's hardness and started flacking off metal, which destroyed a lifter, all the lifter rollers where full of oil! also in my Ram where the MDS lifter was partially collapsed, which caused a tick, and that was a bad MDS lifter! Seem like the problem is a quality control problem with the parts!

 

[El_Dude]

When i started my truck this morning the oil psi was at 55. I went in my house to let the engine warm up and came back out about 5 min later. oil psi was 41psi.
I have not heard the startup tick. But I did hear a constant faint lower-pitched tick/tap when I was walking toward my truck to get in it about to leave to work. I'm not sure if that was there before or not, as it is very faint, and this morning I was really trying to listen any noises. so it coulda been doing that the whole time, not sure.

 

[Burla]

When you first start your car the idle is high and oil is thick, so that is 100% normal, when you restart it and the engine is already warm the idle is low and the oil is thin, so those psi's are very normal. Royal Purple is NOT known as a hemi tick oil choice, give it some times but if it keeps doing it add some lubegard biotech to it.

 

[El_Dude]

Thanks for the info Burla. Ok I'll monitor it, and see if the startup tick comes back or if that other faint tick is still there in the next few days/weeks.

 

[Burla]

The faint tick if it is while the engine is warm is warm idle tick and that is a very bad result, you want to correct that if you can. Start up tick is hit and miss, sometimes unavoidable sometimes you can avoid it, my truck is very silent and many others as well just by using a strategy. If it is ticking under warm idle it means the lubrication isn't doing it's job, if it ticks at start up it simply means the metal is dry. It is at least possible to correct both by doing some of the things already mentioned.

 

[El_Dude]

Noted. I didn't hear it when I got home. But I'll listen again in the morning...

 

[El_Dude]

Wanted to update y’all on this since I’ve gone through two oil changes now:

First was Royal Purple RP20-280 filter with RP 10w30 oil back in like September or October last year. Heard no ticks afterwards.

About two weeks ago, I changed oil to Pennzoil Platinum 5w20, and replaced filter with the same RP20-280 filter

The tick I was hearing is completely gone. Haven’t heard it since.

What’s interesting is I’ve used Pennzoil Platinum before, but with the smaller Mopar OEM filter, and I still had the tick. So in my case, it really seems like the filter size/type made the difference as mentioned here. The OEM is just too small

Appreciate all the knowledge you guys have shared in here!

 

[Ribtipram]

I've tried everything with my 6.4. Sometimes ticks sometimes not. I keep the oil fresh and stopped carrying about it after 180k.