Let's talk forced induction

[Graygoose]

I just emailed Arrington to see if AJ can tune my '14 like he did my Procharged '12.
My preference is the Magnuson kit so I'll see what they have to say.
I know AJ got my old truck tuned with mods when nobody else would or could....I wouldn't hesitate to use him again.

I have a buddy at Magnuson that can answer your Q's if you have any, good dude.

 

[UNBROKEN]

The physical differences I found when comparing the older magnuson kit and installing it on a '14 was the IAT harness was wrong (no biggie) and the pulley layout is different because I think all '14's have electric PS, so theres a slight change in the idler. Nothing the can't be overcome!

My one big concern is how much support would be available from Magnuson if they don't officially release it as a '14 kit. But if your going to run a custom tune than that solves that!

Andy

I had zero support from Procharger too. Had to buy the tuner kit and add ****...they wouldn't sell me the full kit.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

I just emailed Arrington to see if AJ can tune my '14 like he did my Procharged '12.
My preference is the Magnuson kit so I'll see what they have to say.
I know AJ got my old truck tuned with mods when nobody else would or could....I wouldn't hesitate to use him again.

I've been emailing back and forth with hemifever. He recommended using the tune it came with if it has a warranty as the factory pistons can't take the heat from forced induction.

I still need to find some time to call Magnuson and Edelbrock...

 

[charonblk07]

I've been emailing back and forth with hemifever. He recommended using the tune it came with if it has a warranty as the factory pistons can't take the heat from forced induction.

I still need to find some time to call Magnuson and Edelbrock...

Pistons can take the heat just fine as long as you keep it below 8psi. Lots of boosted hemis running around running 7-8psi all day long, if you want to go bigger either a forged assembly or a set of drop-in pistons can be done.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

Pistons can take the heat just fine as long as you keep it below 8psi. Lots of boosted hemis running around running 7-8psi all day long, if you want to go bigger either a forged assembly or a set of drop-in pistons can be done.

He (Hemifever) said the WOT AFRs are running about 9 on some of the stuff he's seen to try and keep the cylinders cool.

I've seen Hemis running a lot more than 8psi on factory internals, but how reliable that is I don't know.

Unbroken, do you have contact info for your guy?

 

[charonblk07]

If a tune is running a 9 afr to cool the pistons the tuner doesn't know what they're doing and running way too much timing advance. That rich and all you are doing is carboning up your plugs which will kill your power even more.

8 psi is kinda the magic number for safety on the stock pistons, you begin playing with fire beyond that with the stock upper piston ring. Lots of ways to make it safer though.


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[UNBROKEN]

Methanol is your friend. AFR in the 9's is not.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

If a tune is running a 9 afr to cool the pistons the tuner doesn't know what they're doing and running way too much timing advance. That rich and all you are doing is carboning up your plugs which will kill your power even more.

8 psi is kinda the magic number for safety on the stock pistons, you begin playing with fire beyond that with the stock upper piston ring. Lots of ways to make it safer though.


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Oh I'm well aware how rich 9s are. The IATs shouldn't be all that high at only 8psi anyways.

Methanol is your friend. AFR in the 9's is not.

I've never been a methanol fan. I would rather run e85 personally

 

[UNBROKEN]

E85 isn't available everywhere so it's hard to tune for it. It's easy to tune for 91 octane and 50/50 water ****. My AFR on the '12 was in the mid 11's and IAT's were great at 10psi.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

E85 isn't available everywhere so it's hard to tune for it. It's easy to tune for 91 octane and 50/50 water ****. My AFR on the '12 was in the mid 11's and IAT's were great at 10psi.

E85 is the easiest fuel to tune for IMO because you can't screw it up as easily.

If a tuner can't tune for e85 because they don't have experience with it then would I have concerns about how good that tuner is.

Any boosted car can greatly benefit from the added detonation resistance and cooler IATs e85 provides. I've seen people with detonation issues on 93 switch to e85, turn up the boost and timing and still not even be close to maxing out the fuel. The guy that tunes my mustang recommends e85 to ALL of his boosted customers. I'll never switch back on my mustang, especially once I'm running 30psi on a 12:1 compression motor muahahaha

 

[UNBROKEN]

E85 is great...if you can find it every single time you need gas.
That's why I say it's hard to tune for...because it's hard to find.
If I decide to take a road trip across the country I can't be locked down to a fuel I may or may not be able to find when I need it.

 

[charonblk07]

E85 doesn't exist in Canada, however -40C washer fluid that's 40% methanol is sold year round. Water **** is a god send up here for boosted applications. I'm in the minority in that I run nitrous for cooling at the track, but I do run a 50/50 w/m mix for the street.


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[BlownGP]

E85 doesn't exist in Canada, however -40C washer fluid that's 40% methanol is sold year round. Water **** is a god send up here for boosted applications. I'm in the minority in that I run nitrous for cooling at the track, but I do run a 50/50 w/m mix for the street.


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haha. You wont find -40 in the south..

0 is all we get.which Is what I ran when I had ****/allky on the GTP.


Do these supercharger kits come with water/air intercoolers? **** is a ***** to tune sometimes and a I/C is so much more consistent.

 

[charonblk07]

The positive displacement have an internal W/A intercooler, Procharger comes with an A2A, and Ripp comes with a W2A.

I never tuned for the W/M, it only comes on at 4psi so it's barely used and is there for some added insurance when I'm on the street. I do like it, I'm amazed at how clean everything is when I run the borescope into the cylinders compared to how it was before. Guess a little steam cleaning does some good after all.

 

[dfroehl]

so to be clear you are happy with your e-froce kit? im looking at doing this kit to my 2012 ram 5.7L with the 6spd. have u noticed any issues with the transmission? is your truck 4x4? also have u used it in winter months as of yet? if so how does it like cold weather?

 

[Dubstep Shep]

E85 is great...if you can find it every single time you need gas.
That's why I say it's hard to tune for...because it's hard to find.
If I decide to take a road trip across the country I can't be locked down to a fuel I may or may not be able to find when I need it.

I mean it can be hard to find yes, but it's not that rare.

In any case you could always run a different tune as well for road trips. Swapping those out when you swap fuel is a simple task.

also have u used it in winter months as of yet? if so how does it like cold weather?

Have you ever driven a forced induction vehicle in the winter? With a good tune they make WAAAAAY more power in winter.

 

[BlownGP]

The positive displacement have an internal W/A intercooler, Procharger comes with an A2A, and Ripp comes with a W2A.

I never tuned for the W/M, it only comes on at 4psi so it's barely used and is there for some added insurance when I'm on the street. I do like it, I'm amazed at how clean everything is when I run the borescope into the cylinders compared to how it was before. Guess a little steam cleaning does some good after all.

Ok, yeah I guess the amount of **** you run would not be that bad to tune for.

I used before my intercooler pushing about 15-16psi. It killed my knock for sure, but also my timing and made it run pig rich. Raised the timing and I got knock. Then if the weather changed(which is does a lot here), the tune would have to be adjusted again..PITA

It did clean all the carbon build up in my S/C..lol

Have you ever driven a forced induction vehicle in the winter? With a good tune they make WAAAAAY more power in winter.

Yes, that dense air means more BOOOOOOOOOOOST!!!

 

[UNBROKEN]

I mean it can be hard to find yes, but it's not that rare.

In any case you could always run a different tune as well for road trips. Swapping those out when you swap fuel is a simple task.

It's obvious you've never taken a cross country road trip with an uncommon fuel as your only source. I travel the US and Canada constantly....E85 makes zero sense in a vehicle you want to travel long distances in. And the last thing I feel like doing is swapping a tune with every new tank of gas...it's a pretty big pain in the ass plus you're rarely if ever going to fill up a completely empty tank...you'll always have some cross contamination between fuels.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

It's obvious you've never taken a cross country road trip with an uncommon fuel as your only source. I travel the US and Canada constantly....E85 makes zero sense in a vehicle you want to travel long distances in. And the last thing I feel like doing is swapping a tune with every new tank of gas...it's a pretty big pain in the ass plus you're rarely if ever going to fill up a completely empty tank...you'll always have some cross contamination between fuels.

Cross country? Not really. I've done 500 miles on e85 though. You just have to plan your stops. This was in my car that could only make it 250 miles MAX on an e85 tank, but that was a 16 gallon tank. It is a PITA though. I would much rather drive to work and commute on e85 and then switch back to 93 or 91 for a road trip.

I can't really speak for these trucks and I'm not really experienced with them yet, but swapping tunes and fuels on my car takes all of like a half hour when planned. I used to run it on e85 during the summer and switch back to 91 during the winter in college and it was never an issue. I would also switch back to 91 before I went back to my hometown as there was no e85 there. I would just keep my programmer with me 24/7.

On the subject of cross contamination, you're absolutely correct. The first tank will always have some leftover old fuel, even if you run the vehicle until it dies. That said it doesn't take long for the old fuel to get cleaned out for all practical purposes. Usually I just avoid getting into boost until I run a tank through the car, but that car is running a lot more boost than my truck would.

To wrap this up, I completely agree with the statement that running e85 is inconvenient, especially for unplanned or long trips. That said, the stuff is magic, especially for boosted applications. I wouldn't be opposed to adding an auxiliary tank in a toolbox or something like that just to be able to run it for longer periods of time between fill ups either.

 

[badvik]

I didn't pay that much attention to the throttle body position before, here is a clearer shot. I can say that the OEM intake tube fit perfect on the S/C to the OEM air-box, the only real reason they change it (i think) is because of the hole for the IAT that is relocated into the S/C.

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Also included a shot of the engine from the Passenger side, the S/C is almost invisible!

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Hey, bro, how is it been running up today? Have you "married" it with Vararam Air intake?

p.s. will you pls share your exhaust - stock or modified?

I think on ordering of this one, but not sure it will work good with my SW headers and exhaust. And especially good for 8sp tranny either. I read somebody has a contacts to Edelbrock, is it possible to ask this question. Members opinoions are welcome too!