Lugs/Locks for Methods ?

[joshuaeb09]

Finally ordered my 701's, but I can't seem to find a straight answer on lugs. Method suggests their ET generic splined lugs from what I was able to determine as they are lug centric. I'd call around but being the weekend and not having much free time during the week makes it a pain. Can't seem to find a keyed set of ET small diameter lugs and would really prefer to run a full set of keyed gorilla lugs like I run on the Challenger. The closest thing I've found are the splined gorilla lugs, but those also aren't keyed.

Tried searching around the forum, but either my search skills have gone to **** or this doesn't seem to be common topic.

While I don't live in the city I occasionally have to park there and wheel theft has been pretty bad in San Antonio. My brother got his fuels stolen in no time flat and while I know keyed lugs are only a deterrent he took stupid advice and didn't have any sort of deterrent what so ever.

Anyone running Methods able to chime in on their lug or lock setup ?

Method Lugs :
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mth-w55014seb/applications

Gorilla Lugs :
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/gor-26148etbc/overview/

I know the ET's help center with lug-centric wheels so I'd rather not test my luck with standard acorns and less thread engagement. While I am going to use hub rings since the 701 has a snap on center cap rather than a push through, I'd still rather have that enhanced lug engagement as recommended by Method.

 

[Dinky]

I have black method lugs I just bought them for the look. I dont have to worry about wheel theft any where I go. If I were to go with locking lug nut I would go with one less common. Find one that a socket will not fit over without damaging the wheel. That's how I've gotten all my locking lugs off when I lost or forgot it at home. Get a socket that kinda fits and smack it on with a hammer. Just remember most auto part store sell all common locking lug nuts with all the same key.

https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/goril...ZyJcK37rDZdsIKCDMwZ87dhGf4fQlJgxoCIbgQAvD_BwE

 

[JB1]

Are the stud holes oversized so those special lug nuts can fit thru the hole?

 

[joshuaeb09]

I have black method lugs I just bought them for the look. I dont have to worry about wheel theft any where I go. If I were to go with locking lug nut I would go with one less common. Find one that a socket will not fit over without damaging the wheel. That's how I've gotten all my locking lugs off when I lost or forgot it at home. Get a socket that kinda fits and smack it on with a hammer. Just remember most auto part store sell all common locking lug nuts with all the same key.

https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/gorilla-automotive-internal-spline-wheel-locks-chrome-61681/_/R-FHMH-61681?ecmp=s:google_1751565294_68431452197__aud-314875695092la-668137088306_Gorilla Automotive_GOR61681_base_US&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&emlprox=out&ppcfon=1&gp=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&sc_intid=GOR61681&ef_id=CjwKCAjw7O_pBRA3EiwA_lmtfk0M3rmEB5loJhX-S3aykLZyJcK37rDZdsIKCDMwZ87dhGf4fQlJgxoCIbgQAvD_BwE:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!7836!3!340848583166!!!g!668137088306!&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SC+Shopping+-+NTM+Mobile&ecmp=s:google_1751565294_68431452197__aud-314875695092la-668137088306&gclid=CjwKCAjw7O_pBRA3EiwA_lmtfk0M3rmEB5loJhX-S3aykLZyJcK37rDZdsIKCDMwZ87dhGf4fQlJgxoCIbgQAvD_BwE

Yup that's why I have a full set of Gorillas on the Challenger. Makes getting them off to swap between wheels a pain lining up the key 20 times, but peace of mind if I ever find myself parking somewhere unsavory overnight (Usually alcohol related lol). I realize someone with enough determination will get them off, but the name of the game around San Antonio is easy targets where they don't have to make much noise and can do it quickly. Hammering on 20 locking lugs is gonna draw some attention for sure.

Are the stud holes oversized so those special lug nuts can fit thru the hole?

They should be per Method, however, I'm thinking the ET lug for our stud pitch is more for the Toyota guys have have those short studs and funky OE lugs. I might order a set of non ET lugs with the same taper and see if I have enough thread engagement on the studs since the stock setup is normal **** potentially making it a non issue.

 

[hodge-xj]

Are you guys running hub rings with these aftermarket wheels?

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[joshuaeb09]

Are you guys running hub rings with these aftermarket wheels?

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I'm going to since the MR701 is actually hub ring compatible. Some of the methods are lug centric only unless you have a new center cap machined that also serves as a hub ring like the Raptor guys have been doing. I think @JB1 actually has wheels with the proper bore diameter if I remember one his posts correctly as well.

 

[JB1]

Are you guys running hub rings with these aftermarket wheels?

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I know you like 17's, If your looking for a hubcentric wheel in a 17x9, fuel has these in black, grey or bronze

http://www.fueloffroad.com/wheel/12108/fuel-1-piece-wheels-nitro-d667/?finishID=12&lugs=6


@joshuaeb09 for what it's worth I use the gorilla 76643NBC on my wheels

 

[hodge-xj]

I know you like 17's, If your looking for a hubcentric wheel in a 17x9, fuel has these in black, grey or bronze

http://www.fueloffroad.com/wheel/12108/fuel-1-piece-wheels-nitro-d667/?finishID=12&lugs=6

Yea I'm looking to stick with 17s just for the few times I do head into the woods, rocks are gnarly up here and I can see myself roaching a wheel quickly aired down. Won't be often but it's not something I'm keen on. Those wheels are nice! Hard to find out on the listings if they are hub or lug centric when shopping.

I'm going to since the MR701 is actually hub ring compatible. Some of the methods are lug centric only unless you have a new center cap machined that also serves as a hub ring like the Raptor guys have been doing. I think @JB1 actually has wheels with the proper bore diameter if I remember one his posts correctly as well.

I am having a difficult time sifting the info properly lol. I get aggravated quickly having to cite multiple sites looking for info. I am having some weird tire wear, even with the stock 20s on these spacers, alignment is spot on. So I'm looking to pony up for wheels possibly. Always ran steelies so all the details on the alloy wheels in foreign to me. But procomp has some nice light alloy (1069) I believe that are same price as steel rims. Don't know how to look up lug specs or hub specs when they aren't listed tho lol. My Google fu is shameful.


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[JB1]

Yea I'm looking to stick with 17s just for the few times I do head into the woods, rocks are gnarly up here and I can see myself roaching a wheel quickly aired down. Won't be often but it's not something I'm keen on. Those wheels are nice! Hard to find out on the listings if they are hub or lug centric when shopping.





I am having a difficult time sifting the info properly lol. I get aggravated quickly having to cite multiple sites looking for info. I am having some weird tire wear, even with the stock 20s on these spacers, alignment is spot on. So I'm looking to pony up for wheels possibly. Always ran steelies so all the details on the alloy wheels in foreign to me. But procomp has some nice light alloy (1069) I believe that are same price as steel rims. Don't know how to look up lug specs or hub specs when they aren't listed tho lol. My Google fu is shameful.


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Try and stay away from wheels that dont have exposed lug nuts, the ones with plastic caps covering the lugs are always dual pattern drilled and will have 10 lug nut holes. They cover them up with those plastic hubcaps to hide that. Those are rarely hubcentric for our trucks

 

[joshuaeb09]

Yea I'm looking to stick with 17s just for the few times I do head into the woods, rocks are gnarly up here and I can see myself roaching a wheel quickly aired down. Won't be often but it's not something I'm keen on. Those wheels are nice! Hard to find out on the listings if they are hub or lug centric when shopping.





I am having a difficult time sifting the info properly lol. I get aggravated quickly having to cite multiple sites looking for info. I am having some weird tire wear, even with the stock 20s on these spacers, alignment is spot on. So I'm looking to pony up for wheels possibly. Always ran steelies so all the details on the alloy wheels in foreign to me. But procomp has some nice light alloy (1069) I believe that are same price as steel rims. Don't know how to look up lug specs or hub specs when they aren't listed tho lol. My Google fu is shameful.


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Here's what my stock 20's look like right now... They don't even balance out well anymore =/


I went off the lug pattern then size then width/offset, which IMO just go look at tirerack, discount, custom offset, etc. Then once you find some wheels you like go find the hub bore. In the case of the 701's they're 108mm so I'm ordering up some 77.8 to 108 Poly hub rings. The Challenger was easy since I went with Factory Rep's in the staggered sizes/offsets I wanted so everything was identical to the OE wheels so far as lugs and bore. Doing the Ram I agonized over finding something I liked that would fit. Almost went with the Fuels, but a lot of their wheels are too noisy for my personal tastes while the MR701's were like perfect.

These the ProComps you're looking at ?
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pcw-1069-7985
Center Bore Diameter (mm): 107.95mm

I don't know if those will take rings, but they're probably gonna be lug centric for sure.

On the 9 wide I'd probably go -12 for 35x12.5, but those should fit... I think. The 701's I got are 8.5 at 0 offset so pretty much the same backspacing as the 9 at -12mm. Gonna have the old man order me the 315/70R17 STT Pros via the local farmers CO-OP where he works so he can mount/balance them that way I know it's done right.

 

[hodge-xj]

Yea those are them, I had found a set, similar to them polished round hole, that were -12 offset. Just can't track them down again. Lol. I'm going to be goin with 285 75s with the driving i do. I don't like how these 315s have been doin for me so I'm not worried much about rubs. But this wheel jargon gets me confused much more than it realistically should.

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[hodge-xj]

Try and stay away from wheels that dont have exposed lug nuts, the ones with plastic caps covering the lugs are always dual pattern drilled and will have 10 lug nut holes. They cover them up with those plastic hubcaps to hide that. Those are rarely hubcentric for our trucks

Yea, it seems alot of the wheels I've seen are dual drilled.

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[buddy guy]

i had those Pro Comps in black with poly hub rings. i hated the rings. went to aluminum rings instead as one of the polys got destroyed when i first tried to put it on my tacoma. it got pinched and mangled from the wheel hanging on the hub trying to get the wheel on. i probably should have made something with boards of the same height as the hub was jacked to more easily put it on. but i figured these are going to be going on and off a lot for rotations sometimes by someone else so i went with the aluminums and made sure shops knew i had them so they didn't fall out during a rotation.

that all being said, when i do get aftermarket i'll find something hub centric that i can be happy with. lots of choices out there.

 

[joshuaeb09]

i had those Pro Comps in black with poly hub rings. i hated the rings. went to aluminum rings instead as one of the polys got destroyed when i first tried to put it on my tacoma. it got pinched and mangled from the wheel hanging on the hub trying to get the wheel on. i probably should have made something with boards of the same height as the hub was jacked to more easily put it on. but i figured these are going to be going on and off a lot for rotations sometimes by someone else so i went with the aluminums and made sure shops knew i had them so they didn't fall out during a rotation.

that all being said, when i do get aftermarket i'll find something hub centric that i can be happy with. lots of choices out there.

Hopefully I won't have any issues with the poly, but if I do I'll get some Aluminum ones made up and use a little antisieze to stave off any corrosion sticking.

I went with the US Wheel Poly ones since they're a Texas company and seem to have good reviews. They can also make them up in Aluminum, but that has a build time to it.

https://www.uswheeladapters.com/shop/108-7780-hubrings/

 

[hodge-xj]

i had those Pro Comps in black with poly hub rings. i hated the rings. went to aluminum rings instead as one of the polys got destroyed when i first tried to put it on my tacoma. it got pinched and mangled from the wheel hanging on the hub trying to get the wheel on. i probably should have made something with boards of the same height as the hub was jacked to more easily put it on. but i figured these are going to be going on and off a lot for rotations sometimes by someone else so i went with the aluminums and made sure shops knew i had them so they didn't fall out during a rotation.

that all being said, when i do get aftermarket i'll find something hub centric that i can be happy with. lots of choices out there.

I'm not having luck finding alot of hub centric for us. At least not ones I like that I wanna pay for. I have pretty basic taste, usually simple jeep style that are steel or the basic alloy hole style. I usually am pretty hard on stuff so I don't normally spend big bucks on stuff I'm gonna beat up. I think my funky wear is coming from stuffing these 315s on 7" wheels. So I might stay stock wheel spacer and run the 285s and see. I WANT the wheels jb1 linked. But I NEED to work on my house and save my money so I can abandon this state I live in. Lol

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[joshuaeb09]

I'm not having luck finding alot of hub centric for us. At least not ones I like that I wanna pay for. I have pretty basic taste, usually simple jeep style that are steel or the basic alloy hole style. I usually am pretty hard on stuff so I don't normally spend big bucks on stuff I'm gonna beat up. I think my funky wear is coming from stuffing these 315s on 7" wheels. So I might stay stock wheel spacer and run the 285s and see. I WANT the wheels jb1 linked. But I NEED to work on my house and save my money so I can abandon this state I live in. Lol

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Yea your funny wear is probably 100% stuffing the 315 on a 7" wheel. I think steeping down to the 285s would be a better fitment for sure.

 

[buddy guy]

anyone know of a guide where you can compare offset differences? i would like to go about 11.5 to 12 inches wide tire on my 2" front leveled ram with likely the stock 33 height. So i'm figuring i need to go different than my stock +18 offset. and I don't want wheel spacers.

 

[joshuaeb09]

anyone know of a guide where you can compare offset differences? i would like to go about 11.5 to 12 inches wide tire on my 2" front leveled ram with likely the stock 33 height. So i'm figuring i need to go different than my stock +18 offset. and I don't want wheel spacers.

https://www.4wheelparts.com/a/tire-wheel-package-guide-wheel-offset-backspacing

Pretty much calculate where you tire is now with the current backspacing, add the increased width to the one side, then figure you need to move about around that much. Now that's just the rough napkin way of figuring it, but it usually works. The offset is only part of the calculation since your backspacing will change depending on the wheel width combined with the offset. That's why all the lift kit's generally specify backspacing for recommendations rather than a specific width and offset.

With the narrower tire you can probably run 9 wide at 0 offset or jump up to -12 at a 12.5 wide tires. It's also going to depend on what diameter wheel you want to run for clearance as well. As much as I hate what Custom Offsets is usually about their gallery is a really good place to find info once you weed out the lets stick out 8" on each side nonsense. Here's an example of a leveled 1500, 20x9 +0, with 295/55R20's.

https://www.customwheeloffset.com/w...1500-black-rhino-sierra-bilstein-leveling-kit

This is one of the examples of the wheel/tire size combination I decided on after looking at differing wheels. My Methods are different as are the tires I'm going to run, but it's really the sizing that matters for fitment.

https://www.customwheeloffset.com/w...2014-ram-1500-method-nv-bilstein-leveling-kit

 

[buddy guy]

thx for that. i found this too. this example i plugged in stock and 295 60 20 as well then you can see below how any issues etc at the bottom of the page:

https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?wh...-60-20X9ET8&fcl=70mm&wcl=50mm&scl=20mm&sr=0mm

i played with the offset just to get the same distance to suspension. that was my biggest concern.

 

[hodge-xj]

Hurry up and get these ***** mounted!

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