not adding up? hud centric

[skirider]

2011 ram 1500

confused, wanna run a wider tire on stock chrome clads, heard I would need a 1/4 inch spacer, ok those would run roughly 200 dollars in the hub centric design,

made me start to look into rims with proper offset as that spacers cost was as much as one rim almost.

odd thing is most new rims are not hub centric, rockstars for example

so what gives

hub centric spacers 200
aftermarket rims no spacer not hub centric 1000 roughly
cheap auto parts auto spacers 40 bucks not hub centric

guess my question is why would i upgrade to new rims for them not to be hub centric when i can get the same results from the auto store spacers???

somethings not adding up

 

[MiRamDriver]

Most wheels come with a hub-centric ring that fits over the hub to center the wheels.

 

[skirider]

Not the rims ive seen

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[blackexpress13]

My fuels did..


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[mangus2k13ram]

I think it's funny I when I see a lot of guys running spacers on your trucks to get the offset you want. It is not a good idea to do because you would be putting all the weight of the truck on the studs. Hit one good bump, snap your rim falls off.
Wheel studs are only designed to clamp the wheel to the vehicle, not weight.

 

[lone12star]

My xd spys didn't, most wheels are not. There are so many vehicles with the same bolt pattern that they make it more universal. Like our bolt pattern is the same as 5 lug Ford's. I think the only wheels I've seen that are hub centric are for newer tundras since they have an odd 5 lug bolt pattern.

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[skirider]

So im not trying to run a big spacer 1/4 is it an different than a non hub centric rim.

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[skirider]

Excuse my spelling. I guess my question is how is a 1/4 inch spacer any different than a non hub centric rim.

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[jcat]

hub centric = all the weight lands on the hub.

lug centric = all the weight is distributed to the lug bolts/studs

Hub centric rings are intended to compensate for a size difference between the hub outer diameter and the wheel's hub opening's inner diameter. Which is to say that if the hub OD is 50.1 for example, but the rim's hub opening ID is 52.1, the hub ring will have an ID Of 50.1 and an OD of 52.1 to fit the rim and center the bigger opening on the smaller hub.

You CAN get hubcentric spacers, but it's a tricky term because they really aren't. The spacer itself will be hubcentric, but because the wheel then bolts to the spacer, that part actually becomes lug centric, on the lugs that attach the wheel to the spacer, because the wheel is no longer transferring the weight to the hub.

However, the wheel will still be centered, because if the spacer is centered on the hub, and the wheel is centered on the spacer, then the wheel will be centered on the hub.

If you do this, go with a name brand spacer (H&R comes to mind) and definitely do not go with a cheapo ebay purchase. Unless saving a couple bucks on the spacer is worth having your $40k truck lose a $1000 wheel & tire on the road and slamming down onto the brake rotor. If you're into that sort of thing, of course.

 

[MiRamDriver]

Motorsport tech is who I used for the spacers on my old truck.

My fuel wheels came with rings.

 

[Phylodog]

My XD Addicts came with rings

 

[BlownGP]

I think it's funny I when I see a lot of guys running spacers on your trucks to get the offset you want. It is not a good idea to do because you would be putting all the weight of the truck on the studs. Hit one good bump, snap your rim falls off.
Wheel studs are only designed to clamp the wheel to the vehicle, not weight.

Myth. It's not any different than running low offset wheels.
Running spacers right now. Hit plenty of bumps. lol

My xd spys didn't, most wheels are not. There are so many vehicles with the same bolt pattern that they make it more universal. Like our bolt pattern is the same as 5 lug Ford's. I think the only wheels I've seen that are hub centric are for newer tundras since they have an odd 5 lug bolt pattern.

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Yeah very old Fords not anything recent. New ones are 6 lug.
Our bolt pattern sucks

Excuse my spelling. I guess my question is how is a 1/4 inch spacer any different than a non hub centric rim.

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My XD Addicts came with rings

A 1/4 spacer is not a hub ring because hub rings take up the space between the wheel hub and inside bore of the rims.

A spacer slides on the hub and wheel studs and pushes the rim farther out. Now they do make hub centric wheel spacers.

Most wheels wont come with hub centric rings unless it's a package deal. Majority of aftermarket wheels will have oversized hub bores to fit a variety of vehicles. So for our trucks most come in like 100MM bore and our trucks have a 77.8mm hub OD.

 

[skirider]

Hub centric spacers are insanly priced compared to just spacers. My question are hub centric spacers necesary

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[jcat]

Hub centric spacers are insanly priced compared to just spacers. My question are hub centric spacers necesary

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Depends. I havent had the wheels off my truck yet so do we have lug bolts or wheel studs? If they're studs and the wheel fits over the hub, yes get hub centric spacers.

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[skirider]

Guys appreciate the feedback but i think your missing the point. I
3 options
Hub centric spacer
Non hub centric spacer
Non hub centric new rim
Why would i use an expensive hub centric spacer when a new wheel with proper offset is not hub centric
In theory an 1/4 spacer non hub centric would be same as a new wheel
Correct

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[jcat]

Guys appreciate the feedback but i think your missing the point. I
3 options
Hub centric spacer
Non hub centric spacer
Non hub centric new rim
Why would i use an expensive hub centric spacer when a new wheel with proper offset is not hub centric
In theory an 1/4 spacer non hub centric would be same as a new wheel
Correct

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You've had it explained to you multiple times, you're just not paying attention. The thickness of the spacer has nothing to do with hub centric vs not. Adding a spacer to a non hub centric wheel does not make it hub centric. Offset has nothing to do with hub centric. A spacer alters the effective offset of your wheel. A 45mm offset with a 15mm spacer is the same as a 30 offset with no spacer.

If your stock wheels are hub centric, either get a hub centric wheel with the right offset and hub centric rings, or get a hub centric spacer to adjust the offset and then use a non hub centric wheel.

If your stock wheels are not hub centric, then you do not need anything to be hub centric.

I explained in a previous post how to tell the difference.

If you can't work it out with that information, do not try to do this yourself and take the truck to a professional.

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[lonewolf2873]

 

[skirider]

I understand it completly. Yes stock wheels are hub centric and in an ideal world i would get a hub centric spacer or an hub centric aftermarket wheel

The issue why i started this thread is most wheels i see including the ones i wanted are not hub centric.
Any ideas wers i can get a aftermarket wheel that is hub centric.

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[MiRamDriver]

I understand it completly. Yes stock wheels are hub centric and in an ideal world i would get a hub centric spacer or an hub centric aftermarket wheel

The issue why i started this thread is most wheels i see including the ones i wanted are not hub centric.
Any ideas wers i can get a aftermarket wheel that is hub centric.

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As I said, earlier in this thread - many wheels have a hub-centric ring that centers the wheels on the hub making them hub-centric. I know that Fuel does.

I'm figuring the only way to get a true hub-centric wheel is to have them custom made. $$$$

 

[JohnD72]

Custom hub centric rings - any size:

Hub Centric Ring Rings Custom Any Size Can Be Made | eBay