Grettberg
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Oil filter choices
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RP 20-820.
SteveBlack
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Napa Gold filter- same as Wix.
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Had been using Fram Ultra 10060, now switched to Fram Ultra XG2-which is just a bit larger filter. I'm a big proponent of following the science! 
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You can probably thank a person by the name of Russ W. Knise for the misconceptions of Fram oil filters.
In 1996 Mr. Knise published a “study” of oil filters which resulted in his mass condemnation of Fram filters and it began a faithful following of junk science believers. In the first version of this “study” he deconstructed various oil filter brands, included pictures of parts, and made judgement (guesses, really) values on function based on the physical appraisal of those parts. His invective-filled diatribe was almost completely reserved for one manufacturer, Fram. His evaluation was based solely on material and assembly construction, with especially crude judgement of the “paper” end-caps used by Fram.
In reality this “study” was absent any empirical evidence to the claimed inefficiencies of the material, function, or design. In fact, the most important aspect of oil filter design, contaminant elimination, was never tested or evaluated at all, except by his cursory eyeball examination of the material.
After being called out for his less than sophomoric “study” which he earlier attempted to claim was research, he significantly changed the grammar, removing the grade school use of invectives like “junk” and “crap” as descriptives, and presenting what appeared to be a more professional sounding document. In the subsequent revision he included disclaimers, such as “WARNING,” “These pages are NOT to be taken as gospel,” which some claim was for legal reasons.
Anybody can make a claim or state an opinion on the Internet, or make a Youtube video (those attending the Church of Scotty Kilmer should take note). The kind of information Burla has supplied seems to have credible analysis based on actual testing and a verifiable source.
Right from the start there were people who questioned his motives, and it can be found within the second revision: a claim that a Fram filter damaged his engine.
I and a few others tried to have a dialog with Mr. Knise, to no avail. The last time I checked his website was not active.
Regards,
Dusty
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In 1996 Mr. Knise published a “study” of oil filters which resulted in his mass condemnation of Fram filters and it began a faithful following of junk science believers. In the first version of this “study” he deconstructed various oil filter brands, included pictures of parts, and made judgement (guesses, really) values on function based on the physical appraisal of those parts. His invective-filled diatribe was almost completely reserved for one manufacturer, Fram. His evaluation was based solely on material and assembly construction, with especially crude judgement of the “paper” end-caps used by Fram.
In reality this “study” was absent any empirical evidence to the claimed inefficiencies of the material, function, or design. In fact, the most important aspect of oil filter design, contaminant elimination, was never tested or evaluated at all, except by his cursory eyeball examination of the material.
After being called out for his less than sophomoric “study” which he earlier attempted to claim was research, he significantly changed the grammar, removing the grade school use of invectives like “junk” and “crap” as descriptives, and presenting what appeared to be a more professional sounding document. In the subsequent revision he included disclaimers, such as “WARNING,” “These pages are NOT to be taken as gospel,” which some claim was for legal reasons.
Anybody can make a claim or state an opinion on the Internet, or make a Youtube video (those attending the Church of Scotty Kilmer should take note). The kind of information Burla has supplied seems to have credible analysis based on actual testing and a verifiable source.
Right from the start there were people who questioned his motives, and it can be found within the second revision: a claim that a Fram filter damaged his engine.
I and a few others tried to have a dialog with Mr. Knise, to no avail. The last time I checked his website was not active.
Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 03 June 2018. Now at: 067263 miles.
Burla
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I think the old fram earned their reputation, and the new fram earned their reputation, and they are both different. Best of all, you get what you pay for, if you want to actually filter your oil as it darkens, the time when it is most important to filter, then get a spun microglass like fram ultra. If you use paper because you think that fancy name is protecting you better, I assure you that fram ultra is protecting that hemi much better. I have never cut open a paper filter and had it pliable at the 6 month mark, never not once, and I cant even count how many filters I cut open. Spun Microglass may be the single greatest advancement filtration ever.
Our other car is a canister filter, I use royal purple or fram ultra and change it out every three 5k oci's, lol. I have some issues with the oem and now replacement canisters, with leaking. I want to do it as little as possible. I had a two year interval on the ram and still when I cut open my rp filter it was still soft and pliable. I inspect my filters every time, the canister filter is easy to do. I'm grateful for this technology.
Our other car is a canister filter, I use royal purple or fram ultra and change it out every three 5k oci's, lol. I have some issues with the oem and now replacement canisters, with leaking. I want to do it as little as possible. I had a two year interval on the ram and still when I cut open my rp filter it was still soft and pliable. I inspect my filters every time, the canister filter is easy to do. I'm grateful for this technology.
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The reputation goes way back before the synthetic media when filters were nothing more than paper rock catchers and engines had wide tolerances.
Hence Fram became known as the orange can of death. Good times, those.
Today, we have engines with servo valves and turbos. Completely different. Use a synthetic media filter..
Hence Fram became known as the orange can of death. Good times, those.
Today, we have engines with servo valves and turbos. Completely different. Use a synthetic media filter..
David Feldt
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I forget the brand but has a fiberglass element.Using rp synthetic 2015 big horn 5.7
