Oil Filter Thread

[HEMIMANN]

Ahso - the local Cummins Distributor has it. None of the Fleetguard so-called Dealers listed carries it. Decent price, too. lol

https://shop.cummins.com/SC/search/term#q=Fleetguard%20LF17539

 

[06 Dodge]

@Curmudgeon

From Post #712

RP 20-500 dimensions:
Royal Purple 20-500
Gasket I.D. 2.350 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.720 in.
Canister O.D. 2.980 in.
Canister Height 4.500 in.
25 micron @ 99%

Fleetguard LF17539
Gasket I.D. 2.43 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.73 in.
Canister O.D. 2.92 in.
Canister Height 4.83 in.
21.00 micron (c) @ 90%

Fleetguard | Fleetguard

www.fleetguard.com

Fleetguard filter is the same diameter and similar gasket, a third of an inch longer, it would fit my 6.4L Hemi. Filtration specs are similar.

@Travis8352 how or why did you start going with Fleetguard, now that they're owned by some conglomerate?

FYI all Fleetguard did was to spin off the filter unit into a separate company from Cummins its called Atmus filtration technologies same company new name

 

[HEMIMANN]

FYI all Fleetguard did was to spin off the filter unit into a separate company from Cummins its called Atmus filtration technologies same company new name

Hmmm...I wonder why? Maybe didn't want low margin commodity business directly on their books?

 

[HEMIMANN]

Fumbling around a bit more on the awful Fleetguard website, they no longer list media type on most filters. Neither do they use their StrataPore tradename anymore. Remember, it was introduced 35+ years ago. It's likely no longer relevant to them since they recently introduced their "NanoNet NN" media.

They've been bashing competitor Donaldson for retaining "30 year old microglass" media and showed micrographs of broken glass shards in used engine oil. NanoNet is plastic media. It is polypropylene string, commonly used in water filters these days. The problem with plastic is it melts ~ 300 degrees F. They're playing with fire, here, as hot running engine oil is not a uniform sump temperature - it picks up a helluva lot of heat at the cylinder heads and upper walls - that is HIGHER THAN the sump oil temp. My sump temp runs ~ 230 degrees F on hot days.

Granted, they still publish media efficiency without identifying the media type. As @Travis8352 notes, their 90% @ 21 micron particle size is likely not cellulose (paper), but what is it, then? Fram Endurance advertises 99% @ 20 micron particle size. Is Fram using microglass?

Who TF knows anymore!!

 

[Travis8352]

Fumbling around a bit more on the awful Fleetguard website, they no longer list media type on most filters. Neither do they use their StrataPore tradename anymore. Remember, it was introduced 35+ years ago. It's likely no longer relevant to them since they recently introduced their "NanoNet NN" media.

They've been bashing competitor Donaldson for retaining "30 year old microglass" media and showed micrographs of broken glass shards in used engine oil. NanoNet is plastic media. It is polypropylene string, commonly used in water filters these days. The problem with plastic is it melts ~ 300 degrees F. They're playing with fire, here, as hot running engine oil is not a uniform sump temperature - it picks up a helluva lot of heat at the cylinder heads and upper walls - that is HIGHER THAN the sump oil temp. My sump temp runs ~ 230 degrees F on hot days.

Granted, they still publish media efficiency without identifying the media type. As @Travis8352 notes, their 90% @ 21 micron particle size is likely not cellulose (paper), but what is it, then? Fram Endurance advertises 99% @ 20 micron particle size. Is Fram using microglass?

Who TF knows anymore!!

Anything with high efficiency there is stratapore. Stratapore is also polypropylene like nanonet but nanonet is just a better type or something idek. Fleetguards cellulose filters usually either list efficiency as 100%@40 microns or 30%@20microns. Depending on the filter

 

[HEMIMANN]

Anything with high efficiency there is stratapore. Stratapore is also polypropylene like nanonet but nanonet is just a better type or something idek. Fleetguards cellulose filters usually either list efficiency as 100%@40 microns or 30%@20microns. Depending on the filter

I think they described NN media as progressively tighter wound. Water sediment filters are made this way, to spread the particle load throughout the thickness of the media instead of mostly on the surface layer.

Provides lower flow restriction as the media fills with contaminants.

 

[Burla]

Fumbling around a bit more on the awful Fleetguard website, they no longer list media type on most filters. Neither do they use their StrataPore tradename anymore. Remember, it was introduced 35+ years ago. It's likely no longer relevant to them since they recently introduced their "NanoNet NN" media.

They've been bashing competitor Donaldson for retaining "30 year old microglass" media and showed micrographs of broken glass shards in used engine oil. NanoNet is plastic media. It is polypropylene string, commonly used in water filters these days. The problem with plastic is it melts ~ 300 degrees F. They're playing with fire, here, as hot running engine oil is not a uniform sump temperature - it picks up a helluva lot of heat at the cylinder heads and upper walls - that is HIGHER THAN the sump oil temp. My sump temp runs ~ 230 degrees F on hot days.

Granted, they still publish media efficiency without identifying the media type. As @Travis8352 notes, their 90% @ 21 micron particle size is likely not cellulose (paper), but what is it, then? Fram Endurance advertises 99% @ 20 micron particle size. Is Fram using microglass?

Who TF knows anymore!!

I like my microglass, just say'n. I just got 2 Fram endurance the cartridge type, for sure 100% microglass.

 

[Travis8352]

To bad donaldson doesnt make a donaldson blue for us! Only a cellulose white canister filter

 

[HEMIMANN]

To bad donaldson doesnt make a donaldson blue for us! Only a cellulose white canister filter

Isn't the Fleetguard StrataPore the same thing? We now have a Fleetguard Stratapore Filter in large and medium sizes, thanks to your digging! Even though they retired the StrataPore trademark from there spec sheets.

 

[Travis8352]

Isn't the Fleetguard StrataPore the same thing? We now have a Fleetguard Stratapore Filter in large and medium sizes, thanks to your digging! Even though they retired the StrataPore trademark from there spec sheets.

The donaldson is microglass and was actually the media that amsoil used in their filters till i believe 2022. Now amsoil just says they use a proprietary synthetic media

 

[HEMIMANN]

These companies are driving us nuts.

I was so happy to find a Donaldson Synthetic Hydraulic Filter for my log splitter this spring.
And I thought having Fram Endurance FE synthetic would be a good placeholder for disappearing Royal Purple and cost-reduced Fram XG filters for a while, at least, for our Hemi engines until members started reporting Walmart store inventory swapping and no warehouse inventory for these.

That's why I got interested in your Fleetguard StrataPore availability report. I squirreled those part numbers away for future reference when I run out of my inventory of Fram Endurance FE10575 oil filters.

What an unnecessary saga, eh?

 

[JHoward]

I went to the local Wal-"mark" yesterday, while there, I took a look at the oil filter section to see if they restocked the oil filter(s)that I purchased about ~ a little over a month ago.

Indeed, the filter I'm going to start using(FRAM FE 7317 SYNTHETIC Endurance)for my rubber band powered GDI 3.8L V-6, was restocked and I bought all of them(3) except for one leaving it on the shelf for, whomever.

Eventually got home and inspected them to notice that there was something different ... so, I cut one open and took a look see ...

I'll let you folks spot the difference. Interesting.

In the pic, the one on the left is of one I purchased ~ a little over a month ago and the one on the right is of one I purchased yesterday.

 

[Stefan N]

1 million Micron filter?

 

[Burla]

I went to the local Wal-"mark" yesterday, while there, I took a look at the oil filter section to see if they restocked the oil filter(s)that I purchased about ~ a little over a month ago.

Indeed, the filter I'm going to start using(FRAM FE 7317 SYNTHETIC Endurance)for my rubber band powered GDI 3.8L V-6, was restocked and I bought all of them(3) except for one leaving it on the shelf for, whomever.

Eventually got home and inspected them to notice that there was something different ... so, I cut one open and took a look see ...

I'll let you folks spot the difference. Interesting.

In the pic, the one on the left is of one I purchased ~ a little over a month ago and the one on the right is of one I purchased yesterday.

One is full flow for sure the other is in question. The real question is what one is better, plastic open inerds or restrictive metal. What if instead of plastic it was metal, then we could have a real conundrum.

Do you have production dates?

.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I went to the local Wal-"mark" yesterday, while there, I took a look at the oil filter section to see if they restocked the oil filter(s)that I purchased about ~ a little over a month ago.

Indeed, the filter I'm going to start using(FRAM FE 7317 SYNTHETIC Endurance)for my rubber band powered GDI 3.8L V-6, was restocked and I bought all of them(3) except for one leaving it on the shelf for, whomever.

Eventually got home and inspected them to notice that there was something different ... so, I cut one open and took a look see ...

I'll let you folks spot the difference. Interesting.

In the pic, the one on the left is of one I purchased ~ a little over a month ago and the one on the right is of one I purchased yesterday.

Burla beat me to it - I'd wager the plastic cage is newer (read: cost-reduced) manufacture. Not all bad as long as the plastic doesn't collapse as the media plugs over time. It's certainly less flow restrictive. The question is whether there's enough strength to it.

Thanks much for sacrificing two new filters!

 

[Burla]

x2 on the thank you dub.

 

[Burla]

Man look at all them holes! Not hemi filter, too bad.

 

[JHoward]

One is full flow for sure the other is in question. The real question is what one is better, plastic open inerds or restrictive metal. What if instead of plastic it was metal, then we could have a real conundrum.

Do you have production dates?

.

The filter on the left: 061025AB 22:20

The Filter on the right:
080625AB 11:33

 

[JHoward]

Burla beat me to it - I'd wager the plastic cage is newer (read: cost-reduced) manufacture. Not all bad as long as the plastic doesn't collapse as the media plugs over time. It's certainly less flow restrictive. The question is whether there's enough strength to it.

Thanks much for sacrificing two new filters!

The one with the "cage"(filter on the left) is dated, rather the numbers/letters on the bottom read 061025AB 22:20, compared to the one(filter on the right) with the normal looking center tube reads 080625AB 11:33.

 

[JHoward]

Imo, both oil filters are of the quality/compared to the Royal Purple oil filter brand, manufactured by First Brands in China/Mexico.

What doesn't come from China or Mexico?