Oil Filter Thread

[RidgeRunner_167]

You say no hard data, what hard data do you have that filters similar to when it is like new? I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, because once it is your equipment nobody cares what you do to it except you. Someday we will have this info I am convinced, and when we have it, my guess micron ratings on older used paper filters will be worst then any rock catchers we see. Just looking at the microscope of the media and knowing it also has binders that fail with time, heat cycles, and oil acid, I wouldn't be surprised if micron ratings are gone after as short as 1500 miles. Hard data I have none, either way, no data proving that strategy is sound either.

I agree that, scientifically, we're both flying blind. I further agree that one day we'll probably have more answers. Perhaps we can both agree to good, reliable motoring.

 

[RidgeRunner_167]

The issue of filtration effeciency and flow restriction is especially critical to Hemi engines for thousands of posts discussed here. It is not germane to "some of the engines I've used over the years".

This is a RAM FORUM - not a "some of the engines I've used over the years" Forum.

The flow is not appreciably restricted with a difference of 5 micron. Say, 25 to 20. It's not like you're turning a minnow seine into a barge hull.

Every HEMI I ever saw had a positive displacement oil pump. Here's a scientific explanation:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/the-myth-of-flow-over-efficiency.398959/

 

[RidgeRunner_167]

Thanks to you both.

Articles I'd read show only 2 Carquest Filter levels - anyone know if this "EP" is new?

Claimed efficiency level? I'm on the road right now, can't look.

The two photos I posted recently are of an EP. On the back of the box it says “High-flow full synthetic media.” Post #3730.

 

[Burla]

Thanks to you both.

Articles I'd read show only 2 Carquest Filter levels - anyone know if this "EP" is new?

Claimed efficiency level? I'm on the road right now, can't look.

Carquest Extended Performance (EP) oil filters feature a high-flow full synthetic media backed by a reinforced nylon or wire mesh, offering 99.12% filtration efficiency at 25 microns. Designed for intervals up to 20,000 miles, these filters maintain durability without sacrificing flow.

Not incredibly efficient either EP or boss, but that doesn't tell the entire story. Same as RP 20-820 out of the gate.

 

[Burla]

It is reported much more efficient then the boss 99% at 46 mic. We see how boss actually real world tests again RP, hopefully the engineers will test EP.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Carquest Extended Performance (EP) oil filters feature a high-flow full synthetic media backed by a reinforced nylon or wire mesh, offering 99.12% filtration efficiency at 25 microns. Designed for intervals up to 20,000 miles, these filters maintain durability without sacrificing flow.

Not incredibly efficient either EP or boss, but that doesn't tell the entire story. Same as RP 20-820 out of the gate.

Yep, without flow restriction, efficiency alone - even if accurate, is no good. If the efficiency is 99.99999999% it's not gonna flow without a beaucoup huge media area, if then. Going into bypass routinely before 5,000 mile OCI defeats the entire point of an oil filter just as much as rock catcher low media efficiency. BOTH are needed.

We had the best of both worlds with Royal Purple and Fram Endurance, with filters that were efficient and flowed oil well, with enough holding capacity certainly for our Hemi 5,000 mile OCI's. Unbelievable the entire business collapsed.

 

[Burla]

Yeah losing spun glass hard pill to swallow...

 

[Grams]

I guess the fact every oil filter manu says paper filters have a much shorter oci isn't hard data? Why do you suppose that is? Cut open your own filters and you can feel and see why.

And how-often do YOU change your oil and filter…?

The very-cheapest paper filter will do everything the engine-maker expected of a filter…which is nothing more than grabbing particles So Large they will interfere with the oil-film between moving engine parts.

ANY ordinary filter which claims to meet OEM requirements is fine….and if you have more dollars than sense… you might soothe your needless worries by throwing money at a problem which does not exist.

 

[Yardbird]

I picked up some NOS filters I found this week. The ultras I already had, the others are what I was able to find.

The new ones are TG Synthetic Blend, so they will do until something better comes along. The spin on filters are for the wife's car and my '94 2500 Dodge.

I could have gotten more, but it's taking about 1 1/2 years to get to 5500-6000 miles on the truck, and at least that long on the wife's car, and it would take 5 to 10 years to do that on the 2500.

I have to look at my age, health, and additional years of life expected when doing long term stocking up....lol

 

[RidgeRunner_167]

I picked up some NOS filters I found this week. The ultras I already had, the others are what I was able to find.

The new ones are TG Synthetic Blend, so they will do until something better comes along. The spin on filters are for the wife's car and my '94 2500 Dodge.

I could have gotten more, but it's taking about 1 1/2 years to get to 5500-6000 miles on the truck, and at least that long on the wife's car, and it would take 5 to 10 years to do that on the 2500.

I have to look at my age, health, and additional years of life expected when doing long term stocking up....lol

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Are any of these comparable to what Advance has been clearancing? I picked up a few Drive 10060s, and they actually look well made for $2. I’ve seen a few Force cut open, and they were not so nice.

 

[Yardbird]

Are any of these comparable to what Advance has been clearancing? I picked up a few Drive 10060s, and they actually look well made for $2. I’ve seen a few Force cut open, and they were not so nice.

I don't know if they are the same or not. These came from Rual King and Lowes. Looking at the cartridge filters for the Ram, the TGs look as well made as the Ultras I've had in stock for about three years. Actually, a little better made than the Ultras.

 

[Burla]

And how-often do YOU change your oil and filter…?

The very-cheapest paper filter will do everything the engine-maker expected of a filter…which is nothing more than grabbing particles So Large they will interfere with the oil-film between moving engine parts.

ANY ordinary filter which claims to meet OEM requirements is fine….and if you have more dollars than sense… you might soothe your needless worries by throwing money at a problem which does not exist.

I have no needless worries, I do the best I can so I don't worry. not that it is germane, but I am on a 2-3 year interval as the truck doesn't get used but for dump runs. I am of the ilk anything worth doing is worth doing the best I can, including something small like an oil change. If you ever ask a German why they do something, the answer is always short because that is the way we do it. Explain your better process they spit and grin. Even if you do all you can, stuff will still breaks so why bother? Because that is the way we do it and nothing else, enjoy your race to the bottom.

 

[Burla]

Are any of these comparable to what Advance has been clearancing? I picked up a few Drive 10060s, and they actually look well made for $2. I’ve seen a few Force cut open, and they were not so nice.

Paper Fram didn't do good in any known test posted in oil filter thread, not that this matters anymore, but the don't excelll in anything which is rare... Even wix XP which has been a rock catchers at least flow good. Fram Ultra was top dog, the rest could be scrapped for TP>

 

[RidgeRunner_167]

Paper Fram didn't do good in any known test posted in oil filter thread, not that this matters anymore, but the don't excelll in anything which is rare... Even wix XP which has been a rock catchers at least flow good.

What I noticed about the Drive is that it’s an e-core with a silicone ADBV…..and a Champ/Delco baseplate. Like the platypus of oil filters. I’ll cut one open and post it.

 

[Burla]

Cool, thanks.

 

[Yardbird]

Paper Fram didn't do good in any known test posted in oil filter thread, not that this matters anymore, but the don't excelll in anything which is rare... Even wix XP which has been a rock catchers at least flow good. Fram Ultra was top dog, the rest could be scrapped for TP>

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Is the higher the number the worse it is, or the better? Did I get the wrong filters?

 

[Burla]

Yes, rank 1 means the best and then higher numbers = worse.