"ported" TB- WAIT

[Ramguy65]

There is still no transmission tuning available yet for any of the 2014 trucks. Only engine tuning at this time.

My mistake. I mis read the advertisement.

 

[Hemi450hp]

My mistake. I mis read the advertisement.

hey are working on it, so hopefully it isn't much longer. It will be a free update once they get it worked out though.

 

[Heywood]

No bs here. I was running high 7's before these mods. And I am at 5500 ft above sea level.

I think Edmonton is 2450 Ft. Not 5500

 

[lonewolf2873]

And to the OP, the throttle body you have is 83mm at the opening, then opens up to 87mm just before the blade, goes back to the stock blade and 80mm opening, and then opens up and tapers back down to 83mm on the back side. This is the best port configuration to get increased airflow and airspeed without causing any high idle codes.

As for the intake, have you reset your computer so that it relearns the new mods? If you did not disconnect your negative battery terminal before installing the new parts, then I would go ahead and do that. Just leave the negative terminal off for about an hour.

We have numerous customers that have dropped anywhere from .2-.4 seconds off their 1/4 mile times with the intake alone, so we know that it works. We have also seen consistant dyno gains as well. As someone that sells all the intakes available, the Vararam is the one I chose for my own truck because I know that it is the best performer out of the bunch.

So it isn't a 87mm TB or it is?
So many mods, not enough instant cash. Dropping grand in few days, thanks to contact with Matt, it's hard to decide exactly how to spend...lol
I think I have a plan but I'm like a kid in candy store.

 

[Hemi450hp]

So it isn't a 87mm TB or it is?
So many mods, not enough instant cash. Dropping grand in few days, thanks to contact with Matt, it's hard to decide exactly how to spend...lol
I think I have a plan but I'm like a kid in candy store.

The 87mm measurement is the largest opening on the front of the blade. If you installed a true bore 87mm from front to back, it would actually slow your truck down. A true bore TB moves more air, but slows down air speed. It also would not match up anywhere close to the 82mm intake manifold opening, so that would become another restriction. The port shape we use is very complicated, but it has worked great.

The more mods you have, the better it will perform. Adding a TB to a stock truck is only going to show roughly 8hp to the rear wheels. When you have the other supporting mods and tuning to go along with that, you will see upwards of 12-15hp.

 

[oz97tj]

There is still no transmission tuning available yet for any of the 2014 trucks. Only engine tuning at this time.

I can't manually change anything, but I can say for a fact that the transmission shifts differently with the Diablo installed. It holds gears more aggressively and it downshifts differently than it did stock.

 

[Darkflow]

I can't manually change anything, but I can say for a fact that the transmission shifts differently with the Diablo installed. It holds gears more aggressively and it downshifts differently than it did stock.

Someone correct me if im wrong but I believe that's from the shift points set in the canned tune Diablo provides. It's not really transmission tuning but more of how the tune is setup.

 

[oz97tj]

Someone correct me if im wrong but I believe that's from the shift points set in the canned tune Diablo provides. It's not really transmission tuning but more of how the tune is setup.

Yeah I agree. My point was the trans does shift differently. He made it sound like the trans would shift exactly like stock with the tuner. I was pretty surprised when I felt that. Honestly, Im happier with the changes in the shifting than I am the power.

 

[Saltillo Express]

And to the OP, the throttle body you have is 83mm at the opening, then opens up to 87mm just before the blade, goes back to the stock blade and 80mm opening, and then opens up and tapers back down to 83mm on the back side. This is the best port configuration to get increased airflow and airspeed without causing any high idle codes.

As for the intake, have you reset your computer so that it relearns the new mods? If you did not disconnect your negative battery terminal before installing the new parts, then I would go ahead and do that. Just leave the negative terminal off for about an hour.

We have numerous customers that have dropped anywhere from .2-.4 seconds off their 1/4 mile times with the intake alone, so we know that it works. We have also seen consistant dyno gains as well. As someone that sells all the intakes available, the Vararam is the one I chose for my own truck because I know that it is the best performer out of the bunch.

Well for the record - I sent Moe's Performance three (3) emails with questions on this and Moe's Performance didn't answer any of them. But since you're jumping in here now - You got a picture of this ported throttle body where it measures 87mm? I can't measure it anywhere other than the outside of it to get it to measure any more than 83mm. And what about down inside it where the boring or grinding actually cut through to the other side? Since you're in my thread posting I'll ask it here - should I be worried about that? Two spots down in the hole, where it was cut on too far and actually cut through? The holes in it are probably .5 - 1mm openings that are not supposed to be there.

I put a BBK performance plus TB on my SRT-10. Gives gains of 7-10hp on a 500 hp engine. You could immediately feel it. This ported stock throttle body that I can't measure beyond 83mm that is supposed to give 12-15 hp "without tuning" made no difference on this hemi truck. Zero. Not a little. Not 3-5. Zero. None. Now that's normal driving. Perhaps it does indeed give that 12-15 hp hammer down red line WOT. But regular off idle driving, no way.

 

[Ramguy65]

I think Edmonton is 2450 Ft. Not 5500

I'm not in Edmonton...I'm 20 mins from the Montana border way down south. Pretty much in the mountains.

 

[Ramguy65]

that is supposed to give 12-15 hp "without tuning"

He said that "with" tuning you would see 12-15hp. Without you would only see around 8hp. And 8hp would be really hard to feel.

 

[charonblk07]

I think Edmonton is 2450 Ft. Not 5500

The elevation is not important, the "relative elevation" is important. While tuning my truck from scratch we found that setting the relative air density to 5500ft actually gave the computer a proper MAP reading. The air in Alberta is so dry that the relative density, compared to similar altitudes, is way off. He may live at a higher elevation down south, but we get screwed on our air density.

 

[Ramguy65]

The elevation is not important, the "relative elevation" is important. While tuning my truck from scratch we found that setting the relative air density to 5500ft actually gave the computer a proper MAP reading. The air in Alberta is so dry that the relative density, compared to similar altitudes, is way off. He may live at a higher elevation down south, but we get screwed on our air density.

Great info. I have heard that elevation affects performance but what you said about relative elevation makes sense.

 

[lonewolf2873]

Well for the record - I sent Moe's Performance three (3) emails with questions on this and Moe's Performance didn't answer any of them. But since you're jumping in here now - You got a picture of this ported throttle body where it measures 87mm? I can't measure it anywhere other than the outside of it to get it to measure any more than 83mm. And what about down inside it where the boring or grinding actually cut through to the other side? Since you're in my thread posting I'll ask it here - should I be worried about that? Two spots down in the hole, where it was cut on too far and actually cut through? The holes in it are probably .5 - 1mm openings that are not supposed to be

Although I've yet to place order Matt replied to me,
Within an hour, in the evening no less.
I'd venture to bet, even though I'm blindly assuming, there was just some missed communication paths crossed.
After some other deeper research and rolling the scientific dice, I'm thinking I may just do 85mm ported.
Anyone know if there is a set time frame I MUST do Hemifever tune? I'd like to order tuner and run preprogrammed tunes until ALL my mods are complete before I get my free tune.

 

[Ramguy65]

Although I've yet to place order Matt replied to me,
Within an hour, in the evening no less.
I'd venture to bet, even though I'm blindly assuming, there was just some missed communication paths crossed.
After some other deeper research and rolling the scientific dice, I'm thinking I may just do 85mm ported.
Anyone know if there is a set time frame I MUST do Hemifever tune? I'd like to order tuner and run preprogrammed tunes until ALL my mods are complete before I get my free tune.

Depends on the mods you are planning to do. If you are planning to do headers an 87mm is recommended. If its just bolt ons like an intake then the 85mm is fine. Unless you plan on headers, cam etc. then you can do the Hemi Fever tune anytime. If you do plan on the headers, cam etc then wait until you do those mods to get the tune

 

[Two Dog]

Appreciate the nice comments guys. Glad I'm not the only one.

Incidentally - have you all seen the ****** commercial where the guy is an a Ram 4x4 pulling a horse trailer in the mud. It's spinning the back tires but not the front. So INSTEAD OF LOCKING IN THE HUBS, he gets the horses out and pulls the truck and trailer out with the horses?

Every time it comes on TV I find myself screaming at the TV - "LOCK IN THE HUBS!!! LOCK IN THE HUBS!!!!

What I want to know is why is he taking Viagara when he's around his horses.

 

[Hemi450hp]

Well for the record - I sent Moe's Performance three (3) emails with questions on this and Moe's Performance didn't answer any of them. But since you're jumping in here now - You got a picture of this ported throttle body where it measures 87mm? I can't measure it anywhere other than the outside of it to get it to measure any more than 83mm. And what about down inside it where the boring or grinding actually cut through to the other side? Since you're in my thread posting I'll ask it here - should I be worried about that? Two spots down in the hole, where it was cut on too far and actually cut through? The holes in it are probably .5 - 1mm openings that are not supposed to be there.

I put a BBK performance plus TB on my SRT-10. Gives gains of 7-10hp on a 500 hp engine. You could immediately feel it. This ported stock throttle body that I can't measure beyond 83mm that is supposed to give 12-15 hp "without tuning" made no difference on this hemi truck. Zero. Not a little. Not 3-5. Zero. None. Now that's normal driving. Perhaps it does indeed give that 12-15 hp hammer down red line WOT. But regular off idle driving, no way.

We always respond to emails, so yours may have gone to the junk mail box as I do not remember seeing this. Can you resend this to me at [email protected]? These are cut on a CNC which is extremely accurate. We inspect each TB before packing these up, and I have never seen 1 that was cut through from the inside out. If this is the case, then I am more than happy to send a new TB out to you first thing Monday as that would obviously be a problem on the TB.

The 83mm measurement is at the front and back of the TB. If you look inside the TB before the blade, you will see how it is opened up more at that point than it is on the outer edges. That is where the 87mm measurement is coming from. While the TB will work without tuning, you will always gain more from any airflow mod with tuning. This applies to an intake, throttle body, headers, catback exhaust or muffler swap, etc...

Your engine works on air and fuel. If you add more air, you also need to add more fuel and timing to make full use of that increased airflow. That is where the tuner comes into play. So while you will still see gains with airflow upgrades without a tuner, you will not see the full potential of those gains until the tuner is added.

On our TB, we advertise that no tuning is required, and that is because with a true bore 85mm or larger TB like the BBK, you are forced to custom tune the engine to avoid throwing a high idle code. You would also need to port the opening of your intake manifold to match the 85mm opening on the back of the TB because a 3mm difference in size between the TB and intake manifold opening is a restriction that will hurt performance.

 

[Hemi450hp]

Although I've yet to place order Matt replied to me,
Within an hour, in the evening no less.
I'd venture to bet, even though I'm blindly assuming, there was just some missed communication paths crossed.
After some other deeper research and rolling the scientific dice, I'm thinking I may just do 85mm ported.
Anyone know if there is a set time frame I MUST do Hemifever tune? I'd like to order tuner and run preprogrammed tunes until ALL my mods are complete before I get my free tune.

IMO, a tuner should always be your first mod. Like I said in my previous post, airflow mods will help make more power, but you will never see their full potential without a tuner installed. When you purchase a Hemifever tune from us or Hemifever, it is with you for as long as you own the truck. This means that is you wait 2 years to add your intake, headers, TB, etc, you are still covered for your custom tuning at no charge.

 

[DavidRam]

What I want to know is why is he taking Viagara when he's around his horses.

The horses might be the reason why he thinks he needs ******. Have you seen them things? Damn! Lol!

 

[Saltillo Express]

Certainly emails could have hit your spam box. I don't know man. I can't get my micrometer to 87. But whatever. I'll take a pic of the holes in it tonight and see what you think.

That ****** commercial is funny. Especially when you know what a Ram 4X4 is capable of.