Raising the 1/4 Mile bar again - 12.62 @ 105.03

[DavidRam]

Good job Matt!!!! I'm glad that we all gain from the experience you get when you use the parts you sell. I was thinking, after reading one of the posts, my plumber has a better toilet in his house than I have and I bet he got them either free or really cheap from his suppliers, and boy I'm pissed cause he didn't give me the same thing as he's got. Hell, it might even be a new test toilet and he will write it off on his taxes. I bet it even works faster and uses less water too, damn it just don't seem fair! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!
Congrat's again Matt--good runs
Jay

^^^ I don't know dude, this whole post sounds like a "sales pitch" to me. Anyways, how much do you want for those new toilets??

 

[DavidRam]

Matt thanks for spending the money and the time to actually test the products that you sell and sharing the results with us.

 

[Hemi8073]

Wasn't saying that stuff to be a **** guys, and no panties in a bunch here. Was just putting into prospective why he was able to do it in "just two" track visits. I wasn't ******** about him getting free parts or tunes, I was showing once again how he made it possible in two track visits. And to be real honest he would have had it in one track visit if he would have waited 1 week and put on the pulley, intake and skinnys before his first visit. Great job matt.

 

[Hemi8073]

Good job Matt!!!! I'm glad that we all gain from the experience you get when you use the parts you sell. I was thinking, after reading one of the posts, my plumber has a better toilet in his house than I have and I bet he got them either free or really cheap from his suppliers, and boy I'm pissed cause he didn't give me the same thing as he's got. Hell, it might even be a new test toilet and he will write it off on his taxes. I bet it even works faster and uses less water too, damn it just don't seem fair! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!
Congrat's again Matt--good runs
Jay

Go ahead and say it, my post! Don't beat around the bush. I know everyone here want to get on all fours for ole matt so your response is expected. My post was not ******** about him getting free parts and tuning and being upset about not getting the same treatment myself, it was just to show once again why he was able to do it so fast. So knowing that.... your post looks about half ****. Good job

 

[Hemi450hp]

My bit is that the marketing pitch was a joke. No underdrive pulley will ever gain .06 off your 60...

And then claiming it was only that and the DA, intake of front runners had no effect on that number. He'll even how he launched, tire pressure, IAT temp, track prep.. Etc

Bold statement and I called him on it. Cause it is BS

DA on the 12.83 pass with a 1.72 60' was -1800.

DA on the 12.69 pass with a 1.66 60' time was -600.

Tire pressure on every pass I have made so far has been right at 19psi. I launch the same each time on every pass.

So I ran in 1200' higher DA, with the same tire pressure, same driving technique, higher IAT's because it was warmer outside on the 12.69 pass, no additional weight reduction or track prep. Try again.

 

[Hemi8073]

Seems about right. First time out, low da, no skinnys, no under drive, different intake, 1.72 60' on a 12.83

Next time out with skinnys, new intake, underdrive, tune adjustments, seat time, and I can't remember if you were still on the 1-2 limiter then, and ran a 12.69 on a 1.66 in what drag times is saying -750ish da. . Along with the fact that converters tend to hit harder the long they are in due to break in, which can also be a reason the 60 improved. Do you have the actual time and date on the slip of both the -1800 and the negative -600-750, would be a little easier to break it down that way

 

[Hemi8073]

That's also not to mention if there was a reset done of the ecm on one night and not on the other. Some of these trucks prefer constant resets and others run better if left alone and are able to learn and adjust a couple of days before track day. There's a **** ton of variables that can throw numbers off . It's always hard to see what mods did what when you do multiple mods at one time and be able to accurately pin point which mod deserves the credit. Which in matts case I would believe all the mods worked together as a whole because all those mods have been proven on these trucks to help on all year models

 

[Hemi450hp]

Seems about right. First time out, low da, no skinnys, no under drive, different intake, 1.72 60' on a 12.83

Next time out with skinnys, new intake, underdrive, tune adjustments, seat time, and I can't remember if you were still on the 1-2 limiter then, and ran a 12.69 on a 1.66 in what drag times is saying -750ish da. . Along with the fact that converters tend to hit harder the long they are in due to break in, which can also be a reason the 60 improved. Do you have the actual time and date on the slip of both the -1800 and the negative -600-750, would be a little easier to break it down that way

Kyle, there were not any adjustments to the tune, no difference in the driving style or launch (Just left it in Drive), and it was still revving 400rpm past the shift point on the 1-2. Shift point wouldn't affect 60' time anyway because the shift occurs after the 60' mark.

I'm not going to continue to derail my threads on both forums for you and Jay though. You guys are great at starting trouble on the forums. If either of you want to discuss this, call me during business hours.

 

[Hemi8073]

Was the 12.83 on the 23rd?

 

[Hemi8073]

Ive told you congrats 3 times now. I'm just stating valid reason of what the difference's could have been, and why you were able to do it in two track visits. If it's not what you want to hear then sorry bro. But as far as me you and jay, we know more about the performance of these trucks than just about anybody who's ever stepped foot in them. I could give you my number and we could talk about it that way??? I've bought stuff from you in the past and know your a pretty stand up guy. I know it's not good for business to have people question you, but I also know a ton of Houston truck guys and damn near all of them are hustlers and don't tell you the whole story. Not saying your that way at all though. I think your a stand up guy and I think your running a good business and it shows in your customer service. I guess the more we know about these trucks, the more we speculate.

 

[Hemi8073]

And I wasn't referring to the shift point changing the 60' silly but was refering to it possibly changing the 1/4 et

 

[doz]

Honestly really hard to gauge whether or not the UDP helped that much. I thought initially the only mod (from the other thread you made for your slip last week) that was going to change was the UDP as a test to see how well it does.

While the DA was 1200' greater, you also dropped 36lbs, added the UDP, intake runners (while it wont affect the 60', does affect the ET), ran skinnys up front (lost rolling resistance in addition to the weight savings listed), and manually shifted which is shown to improve times. You stated above in this thread that both of your passes last week and this week were auto shift but elsewhere you stated that the 12.62 pass was manual.

With that said, I am sure a UDP will help with other mods. But there were a lot of factors that contributed to a better pass. And for the record, I think its awesome how fast these trucks can be with a few bolt-ons. Not bad at all IMO. But I would agree that if you are trying to promote the UDP which it seemed like you were as you stated you would be running a week later with it on, it would be best to show the improvement with it alone so that there is no question.

 

[Hemi450hp]

Doz,

I absolutely agree. The intake and front runners without a doubt helped my 1/4 mile ET. I just feel that most of my 60' gain to the pulley. I was not out there specifically to test that pulley, I was there to run the fastest time I could get. I am short on time with the 5.7 on this build, and with me only being able to make 3 runs a night at our track, I just don't have enough time to test each individual mod on this particular truck.

From my experience racing these trucks with the track intakes, and also being the first person to ever run a true 5" front runner on the newer hemi ram trucks, I can say that they never did much for me in the 60' department, but have always shown gains in the overall 1/4 mile.

Simply put, the combination of mods we have in this truck is working exactly as we planned. Times are getting faster on each trip, and I expect them to drop again this coming Friday.

EDIT - I just saw where you edited your post. The 12.62 was manually shifting, but we ran that 2 days ago (Feb 6th). The runs we were comparing were the 12.82 from Jan 9th, and the 12.69 from Jan 30th. I was leaving it in drive on both of those trips. I did not try manually shifting the truck until the last 2 passes we made this past Friday.

 

[doz]

I cant wait to hit the track but our conditions here suck. DA is always 2000+ at minimum. Current conditions its right around 3000. We have a track day for 6pm-11:30pm on the 20th so maybe I will shoot for that.

Going to be running with 35" tires. Maybe when I wear these tires out I will lower the beast and go with some street tires.

 

[Hemi8073]

I have your old skinnys matt, between dropping the rear bumper, tow package and throwing on the skinnys I dropped from a 1.80 to a 1.691, so right at .11 off the 60, but I'm in the same boat as you as I don't know what did what. Next time I go out I will run with my 20's, sst's , then my front runners and help break it down for ppl

 

[MSExpress]

Ive been drag racing for 19 years. Aint no underdrive pulley going to net you that 60' gain. The skinny and front runners for sure, but not an underdrive pulley lmao. I can see it as part of the equation possibly, but to say " I contribute all of this to the underdrive pulley because I doubt the intake and front runners had any affect on my times in the first 60' of the track" is somewhat ubsurd. Weight will always affect 60' times the most if there is no real increase in power or a converter swap.

 

[Two Dog]

Any plans to do any dyno runs with this truck?

 

[gunner1374]

Changing from my Boss wheels and 305/50/20s to stock chrome clads with SRAs (72lbs less)dropped my 0-60 a full second, so I can see how skinnys would help get you out of the hole. Awesome deal Matt. Hopefully, I can get this job thing situated and my hours will come back so I can continue modding. 12.50s NA would be sweet indeed!

 

[Hemi450hp]

Any plans to do any dyno runs with this truck?

I'm not a dyno kind of guy. I always prefer the track over the dyno to measure performance, so I doubt this one will ever see the dyno.

 

[sicmadek]

Agreed dynos are best for showing where your making power and adjusting the setup. Track shows that you are making power.

My old mustang made 320whp and ran 12.2@113. The same day other mustangs like mine could only manage 12.5 with 350whp. I was full bolt ons and they were cammed.