Red Line 5W-40 Alternative due to No Inventory

[1SLwLS1]

I usually buy my Red Line 5W-40 in the 4-gallon variety and when I went to purchase more 6 weeks ago, I couldn't find any. I tried researching alternatives, looked at various charts, blah blah and just settled on Red Line 0W-40 for what was hopefully just a short blip. The hot oil pressure is a little lower than I would like (relative to the 5W-40) and was hoping to get some recommendations on alternatives since I still cannot find any 5W-40 and Red Line will not provide an ETA for stock. My engine is an SRT 392 with stock clearances/oil-pump/squirters with a remote 30-8A oil filter and external oil cooler.

I am looking for a short term boutique oil alternative with similar viscosity properties as the Red Line 5W-40 - suggestions?

 

[1SLwLS1]

Here are the Red Line 5W-40 properties from their site:

 

[Zoe Saldana]

Amazon has PUP 0w40 - 6 for $48. Also buy Lubegard and you are good to go.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I'd suggest HPL SuperCar 5W-40, presuming you need the SAE 40 grade for hot climate and / or heavy towing?

Super Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ Super Car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. This series takes advantage of high quality PAO base oils delivering superb pour points as well as an advanced VI Improver that has a superior...

www.advlubrication.com

If not, 5W-30 is just fine. I run it in the Siberia of America, where it routinely gets above 90F in the summer. I also tow a 7,000 travel and utility trailers.

 

[Burla]

most 15w40's in the warm or 5w30 redline if a snow area.

 

[1SLwLS1]

Amazon has PUP 0w40 - 6 for $48. Also buy Lubegard and you are good to go.

The PUP 0W-40 has a lower viscosity at 100C than both Red Line 0W-40 and 5W-40. I would probably just stick with the Red Line 0W-40 in this case as that is still available. I was looking for something closer to the Red Line 5W-40, which is unavailable.

I'd suggest HPL SuperCar 5W-40, presuming you need the SAE 40 grade for hot climate and / or heavy towing?

Super Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ Super Car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. This series takes advantage of high quality PAO base oils delivering superb pour points as well as an advanced VI Improver that has a superior...

www.advlubrication.com

If not, 5W-30 is just fine. I run it in the Siberia of America, where it routinely gets above 90F in the summer. I also tow a 7,000 travel and utility trailers.

This is what I was closest to pulling the trigger on when I couldn't find Red Line 5W-40 6 or so weeks ago but was confused by the multiple sites and various mixers and wasn't sure which mixer was the one receiving most of the glowing reviews - thanks. And yes, I want to keep the 40 for terrible Texas weather and towing.

most 15w40's in the warm or 5w30 redline if a snow area.

The Red Line 15W-40 is also less viscous than the 0W-40 at 100C, but I am putting that in my tractor. For the hemi, I will probably just stick with the Red Line 0W-40 until the Red Line 5W-40 becomes available again.

 

[BLUKTY2]

My suggestion would be either HPL SC 0W-40 or Premium Plus 5W-40. For whatever reason the SC 5W-40 is the same oil as their Euro PC 5W-40 and it has no moly. It might be fine in a Hemi, but I opted not to use it. The SC 0W-40 and Premium Plus 5W-40 do have moly, according to a HPL rep, but I don't know how much.

The last several pages of the Blackstone thread has some information that you might be interested in if you haven't seen it already.

 

[ramffml]

My suggestion would be either HPL SC 0W-40 or Premium Plus 5W-40. For whatever reason the SC 5W-40 is the same oil as their Euro PC 5W-40 and it has no moly. It might be fine in a Hemi, but I opted not to use it. The SC 0W-40 and Premium Plus 5W-40 do have moly, according to a HPL rep, but I don't know how much.

The last several pages of the Blackstone thread has some information that you might be interested in if you haven't seen it already.

I feel you're still missing it

Euro PC 5w-40 doesn't exist. It's just packaged in a bottle with that label but it's actually SC 5w-40.

ALL Super Car weights have moly, as does all PCMO and Premium and Premium+

The only oil that doesn't have moly, is the non 5w-40 Euro line up. Euro 5w-40 has moly because it's super car and super car has moly. Euro Xw-XX other than 5w-40 does not have moly.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I feel you're still missing it

Euro PC 5w-40 doesn't exist. It's just packaged in a bottle with that label but it's actually SC 5w-40.

ALL Super Car weights have moly, as does all PCMO and Premium and Premium+

The only oil that doesn't have moly, is the non 5w-40 Euro line up. Euro 5w-40 has moly because it's super car and super car has moly. Euro Xw-XX other than 5w-40 does not have moly.

Maybe type in all caps?

 

[Zoe Saldana]

Doesn't your owner's manual recommend 0w40 PUP?

 

[Wild one]

Doesn't your owner's manual recommend 0w40 PUP?

He's got a 13,they never put 6.4's in 2013's,so you might be a bit off base with telling him to check his manual.
Plus if you're paying attention his truck is not stock,if you look at the bottom of his posts

"2013 Crew Cab Sport - Deep Cherry Red Crystal Pearl - 2WD - 3.92 - SRT 6.4 Hemi - MMX NSR Cam - 8HP70 Swapped (SGA)"

 

[1SLwLS1]

He's got a 13,they never put 6.4's in 2013's,so you might be a bit off base with telling him to check his manual.
Plus if you're paying attention his truck is not stock,if you look at the bottom of his posts

"2013 Crew Cab Sport - Deep Cherry Red Crystal Pearl - 2WD - 3.92 - SRT 6.4 Hemi - MMX NSR Cam - 8HP70 Swapped (SGA)"

And even if all of that aligned, I still wouldn't trust the owner's manual where, as of recent trends, they prioritize fuel economy and CAFE standards over longevity.

 

[ramffml]

Maybe type in all caps?

To be honest, HPL doesn't make it very clear what they're doing and I see no point in offering a bottle labelled Euro 5w-40 when it's actually Supercar 5w-40. Just causes confusion.

 

[BLUKTY2]

To be honest, HPL doesn't make it very clear what they're doing and I see no point in offering a bottle labelled Euro 5w-40 when it's actually Supercar 5w-40. Just causes confusion.

You are definitely correct on this.

I appreciated your efforts to set me straight but I just don't see what I am missing. Here are the key statements in my email exchange with a HPL rep. I would be happy to post the entirety of the email string but don't see where that is necessary.

His first reply to my initial inquiry for a recommended oil:
"Okay - the HPL PC Euro 5W40 is what I recommend."

Since I didn't know if this particular oil had any moly, I asked the rep if it had any in my follow up email. His response:

"We use a synthesized synthetic moly - but in this case the Euro does not contain moly if my recollection is correct. But it is a very stout oil that I run in my Audi TDI’s and my Cummins 24 Valve TURBO DIESEL."

My understanding from this statement is that he is referring to his recommended PC Euro 5W-40, or at least he should be as this is what I was inquiring about.

Therefore, my take on this is that the Euro PC 5W-40 doesn't contain moly- seems very clear to me. So since the Euro PC 5W-40 is actually SC 5W-40 in a relabeled bottle (these two oils are identical), it still doesn't contain moly. What am I missing? Perhaps the reps "recollection" isn't correct? Is there a VOA of the SC or Euro 5W-40 that could be referenced? I have not found one.....

Please don't take this post wrong, I have no desire or intention of "arguing" with anyone here, I have far too much respect for the folks on this forum. Just looking for facts.

 

[ramffml]

You are definitely correct on this.

I appreciated your efforts to set me straight but I just don't see what I am missing. Here are the key statements in my email exchange with a HPL rep. I would be happy to post the entirety of the email string but don't see where that is necessary.

His first reply to my initial inquiry for a recommended oil:
"Okay - the HPL PC Euro 5W40 is what I recommend."

Since I didn't know if this particular oil had any moly, I asked the rep if it had any in my follow up email. His response:

"We use a synthesized synthetic moly - but in this case the Euro does not contain moly if my recollection is correct. But it is a very stout oil that I run in my Audi TDI’s and my Cummins 24 Valve TURBO DIESEL."

My understanding from this statement is that he is referring to his recommended PC Euro 5W-40, or at least he should be as this is what I was inquiring about.

Therefore, my take on this is that the Euro PC 5W-40 doesn't contain moly- seems very clear to me. So since the Euro PC 5W-40 is actually SC 5W-40 in a relabeled bottle (these two oils are identical), it still doesn't contain moly. What am I missing? Perhaps the reps "recollection" isn't correct? Is there a VOA of the SC or Euro 5W-40 that could be referenced? I have not found one.....

Please don't take this post wrong, I have no desire or intention of "arguing" with anyone here, I have far too much respect for the folks on this forum. Just looking for facts.

No worries on the "argument", I argue more than my fair share so I should be the one apologizing lol.

I think the rep just got a little lost in the details of what you were asking or didn't read it carefully enough, it happens.

I'm basing my information not on the HPL rep's statement, but on information I picked up on BITOG.

Below is a link to one UOA of SuperCar 5w-40 which shows 890+ PPM of moly and only a little bit of boron. Pretty sure thats a strong indication that the Euro 5w-40 is the one that doesn't technically exist, and that they both share the SuperCar formula not the Euro formula.

Maybe there are other UOA's or VOA's which state something different? That would be .... interesting, to say the least.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/hpl-5w40-supercar-10-137-miles-2005-mercedes-s600-m275.384861/

 

[BLUKTY2]

No worries on the "argument", I argue more than my fair share so I should be the one apologizing lol.

I think the rep just got a little lost in the details of what you were asking or didn't read it carefully enough, it happens.

I'm basing my information not on the HPL rep's statement, but on information I picked up on BITOG.

Below is a link to one UOA of SuperCar 5w-40 which shows 890+ PPM of moly and only a little bit of boron. Pretty sure thats a strong indication that the Euro 5w-40 is the one that doesn't technically exist, and that they both share the SuperCar formula not the Euro formula.

Maybe there are other UOA's or VOA's which state something different? That would be .... interesting, to say the least.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/hpl-5w40-supercar-10-137-miles-2005-mercedes-s600-m275.384861/

Definitely no need to apologize; I greatly appreciate all of your input and clearly we are both interested in the facts.

Thanks for the link, that certainly explains things! There is no doubt now that the information that I got from the rep was incorrect. I guess that in a way I am not overly surprised as it took him about 24 hours to get an answer back from the lab to confirm for me that the Premium Plus 5W-40 did indeed have moly. At the time it seemed odd to me that he didn't know this answer off the top of his head or at least from a readily available product fact sheet. But maybe it's just us picky Hemi owners that ask such questions! Not knocking their customer service at all as it has been top notch; as you mentioned, these things happen.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Definitely no need to apologize; I greatly appreciate all of your input and clearly we are both interested in the facts.

Thanks for the link, that certainly explains things! There is no doubt now that the information that I got from the rep was incorrect. I guess that in a way I am not overly surprised as it took him about 24 hours to get an answer back from the lab to confirm for me that the Premium Plus 5W-40 did indeed have moly. At the time it seemed odd to me that he didn't know this answer off the top of his head or at least from a readily available product fact sheet. But maybe it's just us picky Hemi owners that ask such questions! Not knocking their customer service at all as it has been top notch; as you mentioned, these things happen.

We're not being picky - we're trying to prevent engine failure from a design flaw in the Hemi engine that other engines don't have.
Let's be clear why we're doing this.

 

[Burla]

We're not being picky - we're trying to prevent engine failure from a design flaw in the Hemi engine that other engines don't have.
Let's be clear why we're doing this.

I would have been 10 times happier in this life instead of owning a hemi, I had owned another 351 windsor, that's a 90's Ford thing for those who don't know. Awe ignorance is truly bliss 11 years of a strong running motor we all took on every vacation to the snow because everyone wanted to be in the bronco. Never worried about oil at all, not even synthetic, lol. I kick myself for ever letting that thing go. I did end up using synthetic in my 93, but is was incidental, I had did an oil change on a vehicle that had been using m1 with a lot of miles and the stick was still amber, why I even started using synthetic, lol. I love the truck, just not the hemi, put that engine in a ram, man that would be something.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Same. If I'd had known what Hemi "tick" actually was, and what it meant, I likely wouldn't have bought it. Normal, my a$$.

I might have gone Chevy HD 2500 with 6.2L V8. My Pontiac 400 days are long gone.

I would have tried Chevy HD 2500 with 6.6L V8 now, but not for prices they want.

 

[OC455]

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