Shop says need New Camshaft & Tappets

[crackerjack1957]

thought about that but I still got a couple thousand miles of warranty left and do nto want to mess that up.

Figure to just use the gear 8 thing to disable MDS< then get a Greene Tune and switch to RP5W-30 after teh warranty runs out.

Truck has never had anything other than 5-10 Penz Utlra Plat so fugure couple thousand miles of this oil cant hurt it much.

Oil that you posted with parts list above 68258687AA : Pennzoil Gold Synthetic Blend 5w20

https://www.dealers-mopar.com/download/misc/august-2016-new-mbo-pricing-948.pdf

 

[indept]

So it's not normal for the lifters to chatter for a few seconds when the truck first starts? It happens to me a couple times a week but I thought I read it was normal for the Hemi's? I don't have any other noise besides the tapping for a few seconds at start up.

A lot of mechanics will say yes it's normal and I've seen many engines do it for well over 100k miles. It's just a lifter bleeding down. Now what I don't like about it is that few taps until it pumps up is like hitting the cam, lifter(s), push rod, rocker, and valve with a hammer. It's got to eventually cause premature failure??? Even if it means failing at 200k miles instead of 225k miles, it's got to cause some damage.

How many miles on your Ram?

 

[QwikKota]

I've had my 09 ram sport for 10 years. I finally hit 100k miles and the ticking started. I started off convincing myself that it was just a flex plate but alas it is a rod bearing. My lifetime power train warranty was voided because I missed an inspection, the lifters are making some noise that can be heard with a stethoscope so I'm sure that the cam and lifters are worn and I'm picking up a suttle misfire in no 2. With the unavailability of the top end parts I've decided to forgo a rebuild and go with a Jasper engine swap. I'm looking at about 7 to 8 grand all in, but way better than the cost of a new truck, and Jasper gives a 3 year 100k mile warranty on parts and labor. I hope I don't regret this decision. Nothing else is wrong with the truck, the interior is spotless and no signs of rust anywhere. I can't bear to part with it, but I'm very disappointed in the longevity of the motor.

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What do you mean missed an inspection?? I hope that doesn't apply to my lifetime warranty!

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[gofishn]

What do you mean missed an inspection?? I hope that doesn't apply to my lifetime warranty!

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Pretty sure it does.
One cAVEAT OF lIFETIME IS THAT YOU MUST PERIODICALLY ALLOW THEM TO INSPECT THE VEHICLE TO PREVENT BIG, EXPENSIVE REPAIRS. OOps, caps key.

Read your warranty papers.

On top of that, all scheduled maintenance must be done and proof provided showing it has been done, if requested. so, keep all your parts receipts, forever.

 

[chrisbh17]

Pretty sure it does.
One cAVEAT OF lIFETIME IS THAT YOU MUST PERIODICALLY ALLOW THEM TO INSPECT THE VEHICLE TO PREVENT BIG, EXPENSIVE REPAIRS. OOps, caps key.

Read your warranty papers.

On top of that, all scheduled maintenance must be done and proof provided showing it has been done, if requested. so, keep all your parts receipts, forever.

That was for certain model years, with a lifetime powertrain warranty IIRC.

MaxCare Lifetime as it existed recently, anyway, does not require inspections.

 

[Juniorss]

The vehicles that came with a lifetime powertrain warranty needed to be inspected. The lifetime extended warranty doesn’t require an inspection.

A lot of mechanics will say yes it's normal and I've seen many engines do it for well over 100k miles. It's just a lifter bleeding down. Now what I don't like about it is that few taps until it pumps up is like hitting the cam, lifter(s), push rod, rocker, and valve with a hammer. It's got to eventually cause premature failure??? Even if it means failing at 200k miles instead of 225k miles, it's got to cause some damage.

How many miles on your Ram?

Mine only has 50k but it’s done it since new. I noticed that it does it more when I start and stop it a few times in a row. So for example if I pull it out of my driveway to do something and then pull it back in later in the day, I can almost always guarantee on the third start that I’m going to hear the noise.

 

[gofishn]

I know my Truck had some chatter, from Day One. After 20-30 seconds, it would quiet down but never quite go away. I thought it normal.
Since I got my truck back, with new cam and lifters, I must open the hood, listen carefully, to hear anything and it sounds a lot like a 1985 2.6 Mitsubishi, just quieter. the ones were they had to have their rocker arms tighten, every so often.

Even had my Son give a listen,since i am half deaf and he said he can barely hear it.

Either way, I am very pleased with how it sounds, now.

 

[MidwestExpress]

Part of the issue with these Hemi noises is that someone's "OMG its going to explode!" noise is someone else's "been there, done that, truck still runs the same as day 1" noise.

Yes, I agree completely. I think that's the hardest part of all this. I've read through a lot of the "tick" threads, lots of different opinions and outcomes to seemingly similar situations.

I've got a tick that started after my last oil change (was done by the dealership and apparently they switched oils). No CEL and the truck still ran great. The tick was pretty faint, but actually got louder after I installed shorty headers about a month ago. I was paranoid that I didn't get a good seal on the headers and had an exhaust shop take a quick look (no charge, nice guys), they said there's no leak anywhere in the exhaust. So, I went to the dealership for them to listen to the tick. The dealership also verified no header/exhaust leak and I got the "it's normal ticking" response. At this point, I think I'll join the RL 5W30 club and see if that helps, but mainly just keep driving and enjoying it.

 

[chrisbh17]

Yes, I agree completely. I think that's the hardest part of all this. I've read through a lot of the "tick" threads, lots of different opinions and outcomes to seemingly similar situations.

I've got a tick that started after my last oil change (was done by the dealership and apparently they switched oils). No CEL and the truck still ran great. The tick was pretty faint, but actually got louder after I installed shorty headers about a month ago. I was paranoid that I didn't get a good seal on the headers and had an exhaust shop take a quick look (no charge, nice guys), they said there's no leak anywhere in the exhaust. So, I went to the dealership for them to listen to the tick. The dealership also verified no header/exhaust leak and I got the "it's normal ticking" response. At this point, I think I'll join the RL 5W30 club and see if that helps, but mainly just keep driving and enjoying it.

My truck was like that....I could swear the quietest its ever been was on the factory fill, but I bought the truck in the fall so window-down driving was basically zero so I couldnt necessarily hear the engine like I could when the windows ARE down.

First free dealer oil change was to PYB 5-20. Truck sounded a lot louder after that....I swapped the oil out myself for PUP 5-20. Quieted a bit, but I still wasnt happy with it.

I think the sweet spot might be RL 5-20. RedLine because moly, 5-20 to keep the warranty happy. RedLines site does mention the Chrysler spec (for 5-20 weight) but some people read it as not necessarily "for sure" approved by Chrysler.

 

[MidwestExpress]

I think the sweet spot might be RL 5-20. RedLine because moly, 5-20 to keep the warranty happy. RedLines site does mention the Chrysler spec (for 5-20 weight) but some people read it as not necessarily "for sure" approved by Chrysler.

I'm no longer under warranty, so that's not a consideration that I make anymore. Not being under warranty is also a reason that I'm a little more willing to trust the dealership tech saying my tick is not harmful. I didn't mention to them that the tick wasn't noticeable until after their oil switch, so I really don't feel like they had any reason to be fearful of me putting blame on them. They could've just blamed the headers. He went on to tell me that one of their shop guys has had the same 5.7L HEMI tick in his 1500 and he's at 430,000 without issue, I don't know how much I believe that story but whatever. He felt the shorty headers simply allow the noise of the "normal HEMI tick" to be heard more, where the stock manifolds muted the tick a bit. IDK, but I'm kind of over worrying about it at this point and just moving on to enjoying the truck and keep modding.

 

[QwikKota]

The vehicles that came with a lifetime powertrain warranty needed to be inspected. The lifetime extended warranty doesn’t require an inspection.

What do you mean by "came with a lifetime warranty"? Ones where the dealer purchased it and threw it in with the purchase price? I bought mine separately while it was being built. Took a risk on the VIN number, luckily it didn't get changed. All my warranty says is they reserve the right to inspect the vehicle before repairs may begin. Well DUH. How else would they know it needed a repair, hah.

 

[Josh keller]

My truck was like that....I could swear the quietest its ever been was on the factory fill, but I bought the truck in the fall so window-down driving was basically zero so I couldnt necessarily hear the engine like I could when the windows ARE down.

First free dealer oil change was to PYB 5-20. Truck sounded a lot louder after that....I swapped the oil out myself for PUP 5-20. Quieted a bit, but I still wasnt happy with it.

I think the sweet spot might be RL 5-20. RedLine because moly, 5-20 to keep the warranty happy. RedLines site does mention the Chrysler spec (for 5-20 weight) but some people read it as not necessarily "for sure" approved by Chrysler.

One thing I noticed in my manual, it does say recommended and not required. So I feel any warranty denial would have to be proven to be the oil cause, and in court the "recommended" would be on my side.

 

[chrisbh17]

One thing I noticed in my manual, it does say recommended and not required. So I feel any warranty denial would have to be proven to be the oil cause, and in court the "recommended" would be on my side.

Factory warranty, yes.

Extended warranty, technically no. Since the MaxCare stuff is more of a service contract than a warranty, its not covered under Magnuson-Moss, so there is technically no burden of proof.

Would they do that in practice? Might depend on the dealer or even the mood of the service manager at the time.

 

[gofishn]

Unbelievable.

Jumped in my truck, which has been sitting at work for 3 days. Start it up and heard more chattering than I have heard, without a motor blowing up.

Quieted down within a few seconds but it was obvious there was no oil, whatsoever, anywhere on top of the heads.

UnFreakingReal

 

[16RamHemi]

Unbelievable.

Jumped in my truck, which has been sitting at work for 3 days. Start it up and heard more chattering than I have heard, without a motor blowing up.

Quieted down within a few seconds but it was obvious there was no oil, whatsoever, anywhere on top of the heads.

UnFreakingReal

all trucks are different...not sure what oil and filter you are using, but im on redline 5w30 with a royal purple 20820 (bigger filter). my truck sat for 10.5 days while on vacation. first start up had 0 tick. i was shocked honestly. thought it would. my truck had a tick to it prior to switching to redline. i feel a lot of this is having a good synthetic filter with a good anti drain back valve. not letting oil drain down for cold starts.

 

[gofishn]

Planning on switching from PUP to reline anyway. May as well do it , today.

Good IDea. THanks

 

[buddy guy]

Took my truck in to get the cruise control fixed and asked the service advisor I've dealt with before and she seems pretty knowledgeable, about the startup chatter and how manuals for the newer Rams like mine say recommends rather than must in terms of the 20 weight oil. She said they're dealerships experience has been run the manual recommended oil. They have had issues with FCA not honoring warranty based on incorrect oil weight being used. So then I said I've heard that the lifters have been revised on these trucks as recent as 2016 for the third time. Has the problem been fixed? She said they lifter issues with oil drain down on all the 5.7 hemis, no matter the yr.

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[chrisbh17]

Took my truck in to get the cruise control fixed and asked the service advisor I've dealt with before and she seems pretty knowledgeable, about the startup chatter and how manuals for the newer Rams like mine say recommends rather than must in terms of the 20 weight oil. She said they're dealerships experience has been run the manual recommended oil. They have had issues with FCA not honoring warranty based on incorrect oil weight being used. So then I said I've heard that the lifters have been revised on these trucks as recent as 2016 for the third time. Has the problem been fixed? She said they lifter issues with oil drain down on all the 5.7 hemis, no matter the yr.

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Scare tactics!

How would they even know what weight oil went in it? A UOA. Which means they need to take a correct sample, send it out (on their dime?) and wait 14 days or so for the report.

Highly doubt they would do it, and even if they did you could just question their sampling. On top of that, PUP 5-30 will shear down to 5-20 fairly quickly.

 

[Wild one]

Scare tactics!

How would they even know what weight oil went in it? A UOA. Which means they need to take a correct sample, send it out (on their dime?) and wait 14 days or so for the report.

Highly doubt they would do it, and even if they did you could just question their sampling. On top of that, PUP 5-30 will shear down to 5-20 fairly quickly.

He's in western Canada,and I've never heard of a dealer out here sending a oil sample in for analysis.Terry did you take it to Airdrie and talk to a cute young gal named Jessica,if you did,take what she tells you with a grain of salt,she's okay,but don't trust her all that much,lol

 

[buddy guy]

no, Amber. not as cute, trust her more, seems sharper, great experience with her in the past. I don't see it as a scare tactic. hell, they would likely be better off if they allowed everyone with a hemi to run a heavier weight oil and would spend less money fixing these. but, if the dealer doesn't support running 30 weight, then so be it. I'm further ahead than when i went in knowing they don't support deviating oil weight from the manual. that was the big question. so be it.

btw, you can get oil tests done in edmonton, just 3 hours up the road fyi for you US folk. don't need to send them to the states. anyway, i'm not going to question whether they would test the oil or not. my oil changes are and will all be done at the dealer as long as the warranty is in effect so they don't need to test it. they can just look at the invoice