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Ok maybe not but I am stuck at work trying to put my mind at ease. Changed all the fluid on my 2016 Ram 1500 this weekend, did the transmission pan and fluid with MOPAR fluid on Sunday. I followed the green sheet to a T on fill. Here's what I did and what just happened.

Removed the fill plug on the side, had to cut down my 8 mm Hex because all I had was a long one. Fluid drained out because at this point, I didn't have the transmission level yet. Couldn't get to the drain plug because of the exhaust, so I said screw it, removed the 3 cross-member bolts, and jacked it up. This allowed me to get to it and drain the fluid into a new pan didn't want it going into my oil pan because it still had oil in it, and I wanted to measure what came out. Removed all the bolts from the pan, had a nice short t40, thanks to my brother for leaving that behind, so the bolt on the driver's side above the exhaust was easy. Cleaned off the side of the pan with a rag with brake cleaner on it, making sure not to mess with the valve body. Let it sit and drain for a bit. Put the new pan on torquing to spec in a criss-cross pattern like we have all done for years. Let the transmission down, put the 3 bolts back in the cross member. Pulled the old fluid into a 5-gallon jug, and it was approximately 4.75 quarts.

Jacked up the rear of the truck, measured it was 9 inches off the ground, got under and put a level on the transmission, and it was still tilted towards the front. Had to put a 6-inch block under my jack, got it up about 12 inches, and it was level. I am checking it at the level boss on the pan. Filled it up, and it took about 4 quarts. Started it, turned off the traction control, hooked up Alfa OBD 2, and watched the temp. Let it run for about 5 minutes, and it was finally at 23 degrees Celsius. Stupid Missouri weather had dropped so even though I am in an unheated garage, this took a bit, it had gone from 75 degrees Sunday morning to 12 degrees by 3 pm. I turned off traction control, put it in reverse, and let my foot off the brake for 5 seconds did the same in neutral and drove. Then, in the drive, I got it into second gear and held it. I did this twice because it was helping the temp rise. After 17 minutes, I was finally up to 30 degrees, exactly got under the truck, pulled the plug, and added about another half quart, so I ended up putting in 4.5 quarts. It was dripping out. Torqued the plug, let the truck down, cleared all the traction control codes, and took the truck for a drive, running and shifting great. I drove it to the gas station, filled up on gas, and drove it around for 5 minutes or so drove it to work a mile yesterday. Everything seemed great.

I had to let my Nephew take it to pick up a dog yesterday, about a 50-mile trip. He reported no issues, but he is 16 years old. I got in this morning, driving it to work, turned, and got a service transmission. Do not move from D, or you may not be able to shift back to park. I went ahead and shifted to park, and the message went away. Drove the 3/4 mile to work when I turned into the parking lot it popped up again now both times it was when I turned so am I A slightly low on fluid maybe there was a air bubble he got out while driving and when I turn its dropping low enough to pop the light or B is there a wire that i pulled on that I need to check. The truck recently had the camshaft lifter and oil pump, and oddly, was fine as well. Let my nephew drive it, took my stepson to school, and the check engine light popped on, but I had no code when I went to check it. It then went off, and it did not come back on so I am starting to think there a ground somewhere that is not tight, but that was 2 weeks ago, with no other issues until this morning. I am stuck at work with an ADHD mind that can't check anything until after work and going over all possibilities in my head lol.
 

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Only 4-1/2 qts. total seems a little on the low side to me. I think my '15 took about 5-1/2 qts. with the OE pan.

Recheck your fluid level.

When I did mine, I took it for a full-temp run, then let it cool, jacked it up, and did the fluid level check again.

Keep us posted.
 
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As soon as I get off work, I'll be checking my gut tells me it's fluid level because it's when I turn it on. Electrical, I think it would be more random. The refill felt low to me as well. I felt like it should be above 5, given that I got 4.75 out and a new filter soaked some up. Probably should have let it get more in the middle of the range, but with the temp outside, that may have taken a long time. It also goes away when I straighten it out; I don't have to turn it off or shift back to park. It seems to go off on its own. Really seems like a fluid issue, fingers crossed, because I hate electrical gremlins. I will trace them and find them, but we all know that is not fun.
 

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Completely cold, jack up the rear to level the trans. pan rail, crack the fill plug loose, but DO NOT remove it.

Start the truck, and go through the green sheet procedures, then remove the fill plug and add fluid as needed.
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You didnt specifically say, but you did do the final fill with the truck still running right? I've done this a few times and its 5 to 5.5 qts for just a pan drop normally. Good news is its a lot easier to recheck than the whole pan change procedure.
 

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You didnt specifically say, but you did do the final fill with the truck still running right? I've done this a few times and its 5 to 5.5 qts for just a pan drop normally. Good news is its a lot easier to recheck than the whole pan change procedure.
You know what I want to say yes, but I can't remember at this point, which is sad, maybe I am getting old. Or maybe it be nice if I could work in my garage with out my wife smoking in there while I am working. Got to love THC being legal in Missouri drives me crazy.
 
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That is almost a T my results up to the taking more than 4 quarts i have 6 quarts and i didn't have to open the last two bottles so I say I messed up and shut it off or it had some air trapped that popped when he drove it down to get the dog and its .5 to a quart low at this point and popping a warning.
 

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I think they come from the factory a little short on transmission fluid. Plus you've got residual fluid over every surface that it comes in contact with that doesn't come out.

Hell, ZF recommends 60-80k mile service interval, but Ram says, "Sealed for life".

Yeah, when it dies, it's "life" is over.....lol

I see you used Mopar fluid. Did you use an OE pan as well? There have been a few posts on here about a couple cheap aftermarket pans having issues.
 
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Ed, I take it you don't have 4WD? I wonder why the green sheet has 4WD procedures for an auto transmission check. There's no mention of putting it into 4WD. I don't think they could have made service more difficult if they'd sat down and purposely tried to. Typical German (and Japanese) craziness. At least the machinery is top notch.
 
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Yeah, I was reading somewhere that manufacturers can say "lifetime" if it goes to 100k or 150k because, at some point, that was considered the expected lifespan. My family all drive Hondas/Acura, and I service them; most of the 3.5 and 3.7 are hitting 300 to 400k now and still going. I guess I get it, they have to put a number on it at some point, but nowadays 100k or even 150k seems low for the price of new cars/trucks.

Randomness, though shoe manufacturers do it as well, Brooks tells me their shoes are meant for 300 miles, that's 50 cents a mile, at the 150 plus dollars they want a pair, my Escalade is cheaper per mile than brooks shoes lol.
 
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Ed, I take it you don't have 4WD? I wonder why the green sheet has 4WD procedures for an auto transmission check. There's no mention of putting it into 4WD. I don't think they could have made service more difficult if they'd sat down and purposely tried to. Typical German (and Japanese) craziness. At least the machinery is top notch.
Nope, SLT 2wd, open diff, 3.21. Bare bones...lol
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@EdGs

Ed, I take it you don't have 4WD? I wonder why the green sheet has 4WD procedures for an auto transmission check. There's no mention of putting it into 4WD. I don't think they could have made service more difficult if they'd sat down and purposely tried to. Typical German (and Japanese) craziness. At least the machinery is top notch.
My bet is it's safety they want it disabled so someone doesn't get run over. I just made sure mine was in 2wd and not 4 auto
 

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@EdGs

Ed, I take it you don't have 4WD? I wonder why the green sheet has 4WD procedures for an auto transmission check. There's no mention of putting it into 4WD. I don't think they could have made service more difficult if they'd sat down and purposely tried to. Typical German (and Japanese) craziness. At least the machinery is top notch.
The procedure is just to make sure the valve body and torque converter are filled with fluid before you check it. The temperature requirement is to make sure the cooler/heater lines thermostats have opened are are flowing I assume. No need to go into 4wd.

I'm sure you could just click through all the gears and go back to park like the old days and get it close enough, which is likely what the factory does and leaves it a bit low.
 

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You know what I want to say yes, but I can't remember at this point, which is sad, maybe I am getting old. Or maybe it be nice if I could work in my garage with out my wife smoking in there while I am working. Got to love THC being legal in Missouri drives me crazy.
I think I underfilled the transmission on my wife's old car one time right before we went on a long trip. Not sure if I got distracted or forgot how to count quarts, but I got to replace that transmission not long afterwards.

When you check again, make sure you leave the truck running while you do the final fill. That keeps all the valve body and everything full other wise you will lose fluid. Checking the fill port without the engine running will make the transmission look overfull if that makes sense.
 
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I couldn't stand it anymore, and I had to go home to grab a drill to fix a door at work. The warning came on twice on the way home again, going around corners. The transmission temp reached 35 degrees Celsius on my mile-long trip home, though. I backed it into the garage, jacked it up, shut it off, pulled the plug, and it was dripping out. Started it up and it was not, and took another quart and a half before it started dripping out. Went to the hardware store, which is about 2 miles away, and it didn't come on, so I think Joesstripclub hit the nail on the head. I messed up and shut it off after getting it up to temp. I don't know why I do that. I have always checked the transmission fluid while the engine is running. But I am 100% sure that is what it was because pulling the plug with it off was dripping slowly like it was when I filled it on Sunday. Leaving it running took another quart and a half. Good news for anyone searching to do their own fluid change: it seems our trucks will tell us it's too low by saying "service transmission soon." Do not shift to park, as you may not be able to shift back if you're too low.

I measured to get my transmission level. My tires had to be 10.75 inches from the floor in my level garage with the jack under the rear diff, basically to the max of my floor jack with a 4-inch piece of wood under it. All the way up, it was too high in the back; 1/4 inch down, it was level.
 
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I couldn't stand it anymore, and I had to go home to grab a drill to fix a door at work. The warning came on twice on the way home again, going around corners. It got to 35 degrees Celsius on my mile trip home, though. I backed it into the garage, jacked it up, shut it off, pulled the plug, and it was dripping out. Started it up and it was not, and took another quart and a half before it started dripping out. Went to the hardware store, which is about 2 miles away, and it didn't come on, so I think Joesstripclub hit the nail on the head. I messed up and shut it off after getting it up to temp. I don't know why I do that. I have always checked the transmission fluid while the engine is running. But I am 100% sure that is what it was because pulling the plug with it off was dripping slowly like it was when I filled it on Sunday. Leaving it running took another quart and a half. Good news for anyone searching to do their own fluid change: it seems our trucks will tell us it's too low by saying "service transmission soon." Do not shift to park, as you may not be able to shift back if you're too low. I measured to get my transmission level. My tires had to be 10.75 inches from the floor in my level garage with the jack under the rear diff, basically to the max of my floor jack with a 4-inch piece of wood under it. All the way up it was too high in the back, 1/4 inch down it was level.


So, step #2 was pretty important. Enough so that it is in Bold AND underlined. It's the only part of the whole green sheet that is underlined.

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I'm glad I found this thread. I've saved myself many headaches by stumbling across threads like this.

Thanks.
 
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Yeah, no idea why I shut it off. I cannot recall a car in which I have ever checked the transmission fluid with the engine off. If you had asked me yesterday, I swore I had left it running. Just had a slip of mind, maybe a habit, since it was in the garage to shut it off and not leave it running, but hell, if my mistake helps someone else, so be it hopefully no one else makes the mistake but if you change fluid and get that light this will help someone to know its not full maybe because it wasn't level or they shut it off or didn't get it up to temp etc. Or if you get that light randomly, you may have a transmission leak, etc., check the fluid.
 

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Yeah, no idea why I shut it off. I cannot recall a car in which I have ever checked the transmission fluid with the engine off. If you had asked me yesterday, I swore I had left it running. Just had a slip of mind, maybe a habit, since it was in the garage to shut it off and not leave it running, but hell, if my mistake helps someone else, so be it hopefully no one else makes the mistake but if you change fluid and get that light this will help someone to know its not full maybe because it wasn't level or they shut it off or didn't get it up to temp etc. Or if you get that light randomly, you may have a transmission leak, etc., check the fluid.

Good info. Thanks for posting.

My truck has the 65RFE, but i'll be doing this in the near future on a Durango R/T, so i'm sure the info will be useful.
 
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Well, hopefully I didn't really mess this up, I doubt it with only 100 miles and a quart low. But just left work, and the light popped on again. I had my OBD2 with me, so I read the codes, and it was throwing the p1614 and p1b14. I tried to clear them, and they immediately popped up without even starting the engine, just a cycle of the key. Did this a couple of times and came back. Had my jump box with me, so I threw it on and cleared them. They didn't appear to come back, so I may have a battery starting to go bad and be dealing with a bit of a voltage issue or a bad ground. See what happens when I leave work. Hadn't seen this message before the service, so I tend to believe it was caused by low fluid and will clear up, or I knocked a wire on the transmission, or a weak battery. And adding the transmission fluid didn't actually clear it up, but leaving it running while I was adding the fluid, and the battery getting more of a charge did for a short while.

A weak battery makes sense for the random check engine light with no code a few days ago. Also, not sure about Chyrlser, but Ford loves to hold on to codes until you get voltage stabilized above 14 volts and clear them, so maybe it's gone now for good. We will see if it's running fine with no symptoms, though, so not crazy concerned. Really just wish I hadn't let the teenager take it because god knows how many times it popped up on him, and he didn't say anything.
 

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