So, I was about to drop the hammer on a 2016 Rebel tomorrow. But...

[14hemiexpress]

Really?
A loaded Laramie makes a GMC Denali look like a Model T.
That doesn't even take into consideration that the GMC's with the big square wheel openings are the ugliest trucks this side of a Toyota Tundra.

The gmc has the bells and whistles the 5th gen ram now maybe the limited would surprise me but I have been inside a longhorns and it's a beautiful truck. I truly would prefer ram over the gmc but the gmc is free for me and the features it has surprises me and it's just a slt. The ram is a much sportier looking truck for sure. If someone asked me witch truck to buy I would say the ram I'm not meaning to stir anything up

 

[Black W900]

The gmc has the bells and whistles the 5th gen ram now maybe the limited would surprise me but I have been inside a longhorns and it's a beautiful truck. I truly would prefer ram over the gmc but the gmc is free for me and the features it has surprises me and it's just a slt. The ram is a much sportier looking truck for sure. If someone asked me witch truck to buy I would say the ram I'm not meaning to stir anything up

Neither am I, I've got a neighbor that has a 2016 GMC Denali and it's a pretty plain Jane truck in my opinion and it's just so stinkin' ugly that I would be pissed off every time I walked out to get in it and saw those big square fenders.

 

[blackbeautyhemi]

My buddy had limited slip installed by our local dealership for $800. Not too bad I thought.

 

[WaterBoy1]

Neither am I, I've got a neighbor that has a 2016 GMC Denali and it's a pretty plain Jane truck in my opinion and it's just so stinkin' ugly that I would be pissed off every time I walked out to get in it and saw those big square fenders.

Yep, I was a GM guy before I bought my Ram 2500 Laramie in 2014.

GM didn't even offer most of the creature comforts I wanted at the time (keyless-push button start/rear AC vents/heated rear seats) etc etc.

Looks like they're trying to catch up now, but with the tech in the new 2019 it looks as though they'll be a step behind again.....

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[fpdsniper]

Well, after several hours of negotiation, etc. I bought the truck. Hope I don't regret it. It does drive way nicer than my Sierra. The Sierra transmission had harsh shifts, especially from 2nd to 3rd which seemed to be a problem with every one of them. This Hemi/8 speed combo seems to really work well! Very smooth shifting. The truck rides really smooth also. The headlights on my Sierra where the worst I've ever used on a vehicle. Complained to the dealership several times. Finally switched to an HID conversion for the projectors, which cured the problem. It appears that you can do that to these trucks too, but the headlights on this Ram are not too shabby. Is there a list of tips/tricks and "must do" mods here somewhere? Thanks!

 

[IRSmart]

There are a bunch! I have spent a ton of money after joining lol. Things like the deezee tailgate assist are a cheap must have. I’m sure people will chime in with others.

 

[cubmedic]

Congrats on the new truck. You will love it. But the Mod bug will bite and you will want to spend money on the truck. Not money you have to spend but money you will want to spend!

 

[Ratket]

gratz!!

 

[ColdCase]

???????? Are saying if I have the anti-spin diff I don't have BTC to limit wheel spin ??

I can tell you this, on my 2012, I have both, and it is annoying if you want to spin the tires.

All axles on Ram trucks have BTC...anti-spin or not. Anti-spin does not replace brake traction control.

My 2016 doesn't have BTC on the rear axle. It has an anti-spin diff instead.

It does have BTC on the front axle. This will stop one wheel on the front axle from spinning freely in relation to the other.

What sometimes is confusing is there are other functions in traction control, like throttle management. There as also stability and trailer sway control that can apply brakes to an individual wheel.

I was just saying that its not like an open diff of years ago. When talking only about a limited slip diff function in a 1500, axles without the optional limited slip rear have the BTC antispin feature standard.

You won't get both anti-spin diff and BTC on the same axle from the factory as there can be some annoying behavior when both are fighting each other.

As far as the front and rear axles spinning at a different rate, thats what the transfer case is for.

 

[Ratket]

Off topic “”” I hate throttle management with a fckn passion !!””
Sorry

 

[TRCM]

My 2016 doesn't have BTC on the rear axle. It has an anti-spin diff instead.

It does have BTC on the front axle. This will stop one wheel on the front axle from spinning freely in relation to the other.

What sometimes is confusing is there are other functions in traction control, like throttle management. There as also stability and trailer sway control that can apply brakes to an individual wheel.

I was just saying that its not like an open diff of years ago. When talking only about a limited slip diff function in a 1500, axles without the optional limited slip rear have the BTC antispin feature standard.

You won't get both anti-spin diff and BTC on the same axle from the factory as there can be some annoying behavior when both are fighting each other.

As far as the front and rear axles spinning at a different rate, thats what the transfer case is for.

I still disagree with what you are saying. Per my dealer, and my owners manual even tho I have a limited slip/anti-spin rear diff, I also still have all the traction control features just the same as if I didn't. And your owners manual appears to read the same way.

I can overcome the limited slip on my truck and when I do, traction control stops the wheel spin.

Why & how would traction control and limited slip fight each other ?



Yes, throttle management and spark/fuel control suck big time.................

 

[unxpctd]

Congrats on the Rebel! I'm sure you'll love it! Enjoy!

 

[torque_converter]

I was out of warranty when I regeared front/back and dropped in a Detroit TrueTrac LSD. Labor was $500/axle.

Did you get your regear labor for 500$ a axle or just the LSD?

 

[S0CAL]

Did you get your regear labor for 500$ a axle or just the LSD?

Per axle (3.55 to 4.56) and since I had the truetrac there was no additional cost to install it (since they had it opened up anyway). I could not be happier with the way it all turned out. Truly transformed this truck.

 

[ColdCase]

I still disagree with what you are saying. Per my dealer, and my owners manual even tho I have a limited slip/anti-spin rear diff, I also still have all the traction control features just the same as if I didn't. And your owners manual appears to read the same way.

I can overcome the limited slip on my truck and when I do, traction control stops the wheel spin.

Why & how would traction control and limited slip fight each other ?

Yes, throttle management and spark/fuel control suck big time.................

The owners manual is inconsistent and can be misleading. I'd look for a couple other sources for verification, like perhaps the FSM.

There is a lot of "if equipped" and "may" type words. How do you know you are overcoming the limited slip and that brake traction control is working on the rear (applying brakes to the spinning wheel (which often sounds a bit like ABS chatter)) ?

Limited slips, like the 1500, use the difference in rotation of the axle shafts to press clutches (cones) that smoothly shift power to the wheel with more traction. But brake traction control would stop the wheel from spinning which then releases the limited slip clutches until the axle shaft speeds differ again which engages the cone, then the brakes are applied.... its going to chatter unless carefully choreographed. When a weak limited slip diff is overcome, however, like perhaps when one tire is in the air, some traction control algorithms may use BTC as a supplement. It also depends on the vehicle speed and what stability control wants to do. I didn't think the 1500s limited slip was considered weak, but I dunno off hand.

For some kinds of limited slip, like the gear diff on the 2500, a little constant brake pressure will lock them up quicker. You'll still find this kind of words in the 1500 OM.

 

[fpdsniper]

Thanks everyone. I'll "monitor" the situation to decide if I want to install one. One other ting I'm scratching my head over. I have a single axle trailer that I pull at times to haul my small tractor, mulch, etc. While reading the manual, I find some elaborate series of things to do so that the air suspension levels the truck once I hook up the trailer. Is this really necessary? I just want to hook up my trailer and go...

 

[TRCM]

The owners manual is inconsistent and can be misleading. I'd look for a couple other sources for verification, like perhaps the FSM.

There is a lot of "if equipped" and "may" type words. How do you know you are overcoming the limited slip and that brake traction control is working on the rear (applying brakes to the spinning wheel (which often sounds a bit like ABS chatter)) ?

Limited slips, like the 1500, use the difference in rotation of the axle shafts to press clutches (cones) that smoothly shift power to the wheel with more traction. But brake traction control would stop the wheel from spinning which then releases the limited slip clutches until the axle shaft speeds differ again which engages the cone, then the brakes are applied.... its going to chatter unless carefully choreographed. When a weak limited slip diff is overcome, however, like perhaps when one tire is in the air, some traction control algorithms may use BTC as a supplement. It also depends on the vehicle speed and what stability control wants to do. I didn't think the 1500s limited slip was considered weak, but I dunno off hand.

For some kinds of limited slip, like the gear diff on the 2500, a little constant brake pressure will lock them up quicker. You'll still find this kind of words in the 1500 OM.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of may and what ifs in the manual, that's why I asked the dealer. Good explanation of how a LSD works....and that was exactly why I asked the dealer, it seemed to me they would not always play well together, but the dealer said they were programmed to work together, something about a delay in BTC to allow the LSD to work.

Well, when 1 tire is on ice and the other is on pavement, and you take off hard 1 spins, 1 doesn't (overcoming the LSD due to high torqueu bias), but instead of gradually stopping and pulling, it stopped suddenly with a 'chattering' pulsing sensation.

Those word are in my manual, which covers 1500/2500/3500 trucks, and mention using the parking brake in the situation I was in to 'force' the LSD to work. Didn't need it, as the traction control did it's job.

Gonna have to discuss this with the dealer again when I am there next. Personally, I'd have a locker in it if it weren't so darned expensive to install.

 

[EagleChief]

Congrats on the new truck! I really like the way the Rebels look, in certain color schemes. Let's see a picture of your new truck!!

Here's a good list of inexpensive mods that you can start with.
http://www.ramforum.com/threads/best-mods-for-under-100.85823/

 

[fpdsniper]

Congrats on the new truck! I really like the way the Rebels look, in certain color schemes. Let's see a picture of your new truck!!

Here's a good list of inexpensive mods that you can start with.
http://www.ramforum.com/threads/best-mods-for-under-100.85823/

Thanks! We got 5" of snow yesterday, so it's covered with road salt. I'll post pics once I get it cleaned up and take some. Thanks for the link!

 

[Addicted2fishing]

Most guys are getting $10k-$12k off the price of a new truck. Consider that when looking at your truck buying decision tree..

Sadly rates in our area right now for new are hovering around 4.5% which is insane on a new vehicle


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