stuck.. security light on; turns off after starting

[jeskanicole]

issue leading up to current prob..

truck wouldnt startno crank no dash lights no strt
bought on ebay win module box came with one fobik
removed bad win module
installed new win module
dash lights came on truck turned on THEN shut off
did again same thing

assuming its in anti theft mode i cant take to dealer cuz wont stay running
have not programmed anything module /key that came with

dont know what to do from here...

 

[aszumilo]

@jeskanicole

The WIN and fobs need to be programmed.

To program the WIN Module and key fobs, you will need AlphaOBD and an interface cable (or similar program)

I use this cable

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005ZWM0R4?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

And AlphOBD (I use the windows version on my laptop)

AlfaOBD

Instructions to program them
Obtain PIN
1. Insert working key into existing WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6. Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Procedure to start -> Read PIN->Tap Start. Will display your trucks 4-digit PIN which will be used to program the new WIN and existing keys. I got my PIN from the dealer and verified it using this procedure.
-After obtaining your PIN, turn off truck, remove key and remove old WIN. You'll need a phillips and T20 bit to remove and replace the WIN. If you already got your PIN from the dealer you can skip the PIN retrieval instructions above and just proceed as below.

Program New WIN
1. After installing new WIN module, insert working key into new WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6. Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Transfer Secret Key from PCM->Enter 4-digit PIN->Tap Start. Let the programing run, will say complete when finished. Cycle key off then back on, you'll have a flashing security light (red light at lower right corner near fuel gauge). Now program your existing keys to work with the new WIN.

Program Existing Keys (and new keys)
1. Insert working key into new WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6.Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Program Ignition Keys or Key FOBs->Enter 4-digit PIN->Start. Let the program run, will say testing complete when finished. Your instrument cluster lights will be on when it's done, this is normal. Cycle key off then back on and test all functions. You existing key is now programmed to the new WIN. Rinse and repeat for any additional keys. This is the same procedure if you are programming new keys.

 

[jeskanicole]

@jeskanicole

The WIN and fobs need to be programmed.

To program the WIN Module and key fobs, you will need AlphaOBD and an interface cable (or similar program)

I use this cable

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005ZWM0R4?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

And AlphOBD (I use the windows version on my laptop)

AlfaOBD

Instructions to program them
Obtain PIN
1. Insert working key into existing WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6. Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Procedure to start -> Read PIN->Tap Start. Will display your trucks 4-digit PIN which will be used to program the new WIN and existing keys. I got my PIN from the dealer and verified it using this procedure.
-After obtaining your PIN, turn off truck, remove key and remove old WIN. You'll need a phillips and T20 bit to remove and replace the WIN. If you already got your PIN from the dealer you can skip the PIN retrieval instructions above and just proceed as below.

Program New WIN
1. After installing new WIN module, insert working key into new WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6. Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Transfer Secret Key from PCM->Enter 4-digit PIN->Tap Start. Let the programing run, will say complete when finished. Cycle key off then back on, you'll have a flashing security light (red light at lower right corner near fuel gauge). Now program your existing keys to work with the new WIN.

Program Existing Keys (and new keys)
1. Insert working key into new WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6.Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Program Ignition Keys or Key FOBs->Enter 4-digit PIN->Start. Let the program run, will say testing complete when finished. Your instrument cluster lights will be on when it's done, this is normal. Cycle key off then back on and test all functions. You existing key is now programmed to the new WIN. Rinse and repeat for any additional keys. This is the same procedure if you are programming new keys.

 

[jeskanicole]

@aszumilo

Thank you for responding, so this is the ONLY way to get my truck to start and out of theft mode ? i have the alfaOBD program but didnt realize u have to have the cord or obd BT scan or i would have done it but now i have to wait few more days and i dont have any other means of transportation and need my truck its been out of serv for a week ugh

 

[aszumilo]

@aszumilo

Thank you for responding, so this is the ONLY way to get my truck to start and out of theft mode ? i have the alfaOBD program but didnt realize u have to have the cord or obd BT scan or i would have done it but now i have to wait few more days and i dont have any other means of transportation and need my truck its been out of serv for a week ugh

I just went thru this a few weeks ago. Same symptoms.

I don't think your truck is in ant-theft mode. Just that you need to program the module and fob. If the module and fobs are not programmed to the truck, it will not start and exhibit the symptoms you are experiencing. You might be able to get one of the cables off of Amazon in a day or so, or, you could see if any of the auto parts stores near you carry them. The AlphaOBD site will show you what cables will work with their program.

These are the ones that Alpha OBD recommends

Bluetooth OBD-II adapter

OBDLink LX

Get Your OBDLink® LX scan tool compatible with Motoscan here and regain control of your vehicle. Purchase one now!

www.obdlink.com

USB OBD adapter cable

OBDLink SX

The OBDLink® SX is an easy-to-use OBDII adapter that can connect to many USB devices. Purchase one today and gain control back from your car!

www.obdlink.com

 

[SitKneelBend]

@aszumilo

Thank you for responding, so this is the ONLY way to get my truck to start and out of theft mode ? i have the alfaOBD program but didnt realize u have to have the cord or obd BT scan or i would have done it but now i have to wait few more days and i dont have any other means of transportation and need my truck its been out of serv for a week ugh

If the truck is 2017 and under you will not need the SGM bypass cable.

 

[aszumilo]

If the truck is 2017 and under you will not need the SGM bypass cable.

Their profile says it's a 2010, so, they are good without the bypass cable.

 

[jeskanicole]

I just went thru this a few weeks ago. Same symptoms.

I don't think your truck is in ant-theft mode. Just that you need to program the module and fob. If the module and fobs are not programmed to the truck, it will not start and exhibit the symptoms you are experiencing. You might be able to get one of the cables off of Amazon in a day or so, or, you could see if any of the auto parts stores near you carry them. The AlphaOBD site will show you what cables will work with their program.

These are the ones that Alpha OBD recommends

Bluetooth OBD-II adapter

OBDLink LX

Get Your OBDLink® LX scan tool compatible with Motoscan here and regain control of your vehicle. Purchase one now!

www.obdlink.com

USB OBD adapter cable

OBDLink SX

The OBDLink® SX is an easy-to-use OBDII adapter that can connect to many USB devices. Purchase one today and gain control back from your car!

www.obdlink.com

what about obdLink MX? is it compataable?

 

[SitKneelBend]

what about obdLink MX? is it compataable?

Yes, but they no longer sell them (only the MX+)...

 

[Daniel12]

@jeskanicole

The WIN and fobs need to be programmed.

To program the WIN Module and key fobs, you will need AlphaOBD and an interface cable (or similar program)

I use this cable

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005ZWM0R4?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

And AlphOBD (I use the windows version on my laptop)

AlfaOBD

Instructions to program them
Obtain PIN
1. Insert working key into existing WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6. Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Procedure to start -> Read PIN->Tap Start. Will display your trucks 4-digit PIN which will be used to program the new WIN and existing keys. I got my PIN from the dealer and verified it using this procedure.
-After obtaining your PIN, turn off truck, remove key and remove old WIN. You'll need a phillips and T20 bit to remove and replace the WIN. If you already got your PIN from the dealer you can skip the PIN retrieval instructions above and just proceed as below.

Program New WIN
1. After installing new WIN module, insert working key into new WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6. Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Transfer Secret Key from PCM->Enter 4-digit PIN->Tap Start. Let the programing run, will say complete when finished. Cycle key off then back on, you'll have a flashing security light (red light at lower right corner near fuel gauge). Now program your existing keys to work with the new WIN.

Program Existing Keys (and new keys)
1. Insert working key into new WIN, turn to run position with engine off.

2. Have your OBD interface connected and AlfaOBD running and connected to the interface.

3. Select the following on the main screen in AlfaOBD:
-Car Model-> Your truck model (My truck is a Ram 2012 (DJ/DR))
-Function-> Radio Frequency Hub (RFH)
-Control Unit-> Wireless Control Module (WCM) - MY2011-12 non-PowerNet Var. 1 (There's a Var. 2, but has the same procedures as Var. 1, so i just used Var. 1, don't know what the difference is between the two)

4.Tap connect to connect to the module on the next screen. Connection status will indicate if you're connected or not.

5. Tap the icon of a car with the hood up in the lower right corner.

6.Select the following in the Active Diagnostics screen:
-Program Ignition Keys or Key FOBs->Enter 4-digit PIN->Start. Let the program run, will say testing complete when finished. Your instrument cluster lights will be on when it's done, this is normal. Cycle key off then back on and test all functions. You existing key is now programmed to the new WIN. Rinse and repeat for any additional keys. This is the same procedure if you are programming new keys.

Great write up. Does this procedure work for trucks with the push-button start as well?

 

[jeskanicole]

Their profile says it's a 2010, so, they are good without the bypass cable.

ok now im confused??

 

[aszumilo]

ok now im confused??

2018 and up have a security feature that prevents 3rd party software from writing to the pcm. There is a security bypass cable to get around this. You won't need that cable.

 

[aszumilo]

Great write up. Does this procedure work for trucks with the push-button start as well?

It should, but, I don't know if there are any differences for certain.

 

[dchapma1957]

So whatever happened here? Did you get it running?

 

[DripJust]

It should, but, I don't know if there are any differences for certain.

I grabbed a used WIN and matching key from a 2011 Laramie the other day from a U pull yard because my 2009 Laramie WIN isnt locking my key into the ignition while running and always falls out. Also sometime the truck randomly shuts off, so I was suspecting it could be the WIN causing that issue also .
My question is can I reprogam the 2011 WIN into my 2009 with alfa like you instructed and skip the programming the 2011 key part and still use it and then reprogram my 2009 key into the 2011 WIN and gain an extra key ?

 

[aszumilo]

I grabbed a used WIN and matching key from a 2011 Laramie the other day from a U pull yard because my 2009 Laramie WIN isnt locking my key into the ignition while running and always falls out. Also sometime the truck randomly shuts off, so I was suspecting it could be the WIN causing that issue also .
My question is can I reprogam the 2011 WIN into my 2009 with alfa like you instructed and skip the programming the 2011 key part and still use it and then reprogram my 2009 key into the 2011 WIN and gain an extra key ?

When I replaced mine, the one I got was for a 2010 Ram. It was new, but, I was able to program it for my 2011 key fob. I would guess that you should be able to reprogram the 2009 fob. Maybe someone that used a used WIN can chime in.