Synthetic Oil

[Travis8352]

I dont see any valvoline that is extended performance

they do say syn power is pao and good for gdi, apparently they arent aware pao is worse then group 3 for gdi, but whatever. Might be good for hemi, which is all I care about here.

https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil/extended-protection-full-synthetic-motor-oil

Somehow you ended up on the thailand valvoline page. I was excited that valvoline actually listed base oils for their synpower line which is no longer made in the us then i noticed it said thailand in the lin

edit also noticed its extended protection not extended performance. Whoops

 

[Travis8352]

https://pqia.org/valvoline-full-synthetic-advanced-sae-5w-20-motor-oil/

Seems like valvoline is embracing moly these days

 

[Burla]

Valvoline Extended Protection Full Synthetic Motor Oil provides the ultimate performance designed to extend the life of your engine. Specially formulated with Dual Defense Additive Technology, combining an innovative additive booster and a fortified detergent system that is 10X stronger against oil breakdown vs. industry standards. This premium full synthetic motor oil delivers Valvoline’s best protection against deposits, wear and heat. Valvoline Extended Protection Full Synthetic Motor Oil is proven to maximize engine life.

Interesting was that a voa or a uoa? If it was a uoa it is very incredible with ;low wear and high tbn. But if it was a voa then the 6.1 tbn is well under average starting tbn. The first one you posted, was that voa or uoa?

 

[Burla]

https://pqia.org/valvoline-full-synthetic-advanced-sae-5w-20-motor-oil/

Seems like valvoline is embracing moly these days

thanks for finding that, good to see.

 

[Rod Knock]

https://pqia.org/valvoline-full-synthetic-advanced-sae-5w-20-motor-oil/

Seems like valvoline is embracing moly these days

That Moly is there to make the oil API SP compliant, specifically pass the Sequence X engine test (https://www.swri.org/sites/default/files/sequence-x-test.pdf) for timing chain wear. Oils like PUP, PP, M1, and Castrol use more advanced formulations with less Moly and more organic compounds to achieve the same or even better (probably better) results. I'd trust Schaeffer's before Valvoline to get a healthy oil formulation, but none of these guys can compete with the big 3: XOM, SOPUS, and BP.

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We added a 2020 Hyundai Sonata to our family (my younger brother owns it). After 2000 miles on Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 (and I drove it exclusively since the last oil change, so I drove it hard), the oil still looks brand new, and it's transparent. Not translucent, but transparent on the dipstick. It looks like cooking oil/water. I love PAO motor oils

 

[Burla]

This is why I kayak in rivers only..

I dont think he was in danger, but it could be killer whale next time.

 

[Rod Knock]

Valvoline Extended Protection Full Synthetic Motor Oil provides the ultimate performance designed to extend the life of your engine. Specially formulated with Dual Defense Additive Technology, combining an innovative additive booster and a fortified detergent system that is 10X stronger against oil breakdown vs. industry standards. This premium full synthetic motor oil delivers Valvoline’s best protection against deposits, wear and heat. Valvoline Extended Protection Full Synthetic Motor Oil is proven to maximize engine life.

Interesting was that a voa or a uoa? If it was a uoa it is very incredible with ;low wear and high tbn. But if it was a voa then the 6.1 tbn is well under average starting tbn. The first one you posted, was that voa or uoa?

On the positive side, the 5W-30 version of this oil has the same HTFS of 2.30 as Mobil 1 FS 0W-40. I'm just not inclined to experiment with it. I would if I knew for sure that at the very least it had some ester content in it. PUP SRT 0W-40 on the other hand has an HTFS of around 2.10. Consider that Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 has an HTFS of 2.00. I really think that PUP SRT 0W-40 is just an afterthought and that SOPUS doesn't really want to invest anything in its development. It looks like the API SN formulation of the Ultra Platinum line, with added trimer moly to protect the timing chain, cam, and compensate for shear. If they updated the formulation to API SP, then it's probably even worse for a HEMI engine.

 

[Burla]

Why build the road like this? I mean common man, nobody here about straight likes here?




Slacker?? Common bud keep up.

 

[Travis8352]

That Moly is there to make the oil API SP compliant, specifically pass the Sequence X engine test (https://www.swri.org/sites/default/files/sequence-x-test.pdf) for timing chain wear. Oils like PUP, PP, M1, and Castrol use more advanced formulations with less Moly and more organic compounds to achieve the same or even better (probably better) results. I'd trust Schaeffer's before Valvoline to get a healthy oil formulation, but none of these guys can compete with the big 3: XOM, SOPUS, and BP.

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We added a 2020 Hyundai Sonata to our family (my younger brother owns it). After 2000 miles on Mobil 1 EP 0W-20 (and I drove it exclusively since the last oil change, so I drove it hard), the oil still looks brand new, and it's transparent. Not translucent, but transparent on the dipstick. It looks like cooking oil/water. I love PAO motor oils

I like schaeffers i just wanted something cheaper to save some money and achieve the same or better results. This forum has opened my eyes to quality oils out there. Before this i thought the only truly high quality oil out there was amsoil. Glad i educated myself

 

[Travis8352]

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Valvoline Extended Protection Full Synthetic Motor Oil provides the ultimate performance designed to extend the life of your engine. Specially formulated with Dual Defense Additive Technology, combining an innovative additive booster and a fortified detergent system that is 10X stronger against oil breakdown vs. industry standards. This premium full synthetic motor oil delivers Valvoline’s best protection against deposits, wear and heat. Valvoline Extended Protection Full Synthetic Motor Oil is proven to maximize engine life.

Interesting was that a voa or a uoa? If it was a uoa it is very incredible with ;low wear and high tbn. But if it was a voa then the 6.1 tbn is well under average starting tbn. The first one you posted, was that voa or uoa?

it was posted in the voa section. I thought the same thing about tbn. I wonder if it was an error of some sort on blackstones side? Ive seen a few where they re test and get a different tbn

 

[Burla]

Looks like the same dummy who made that road, also is a bridge builder?




look at smog in background, you see how china addresses climate change, plant some flowers on side or road

 

[Hemi395]

https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil/extended-protection-full-synthetic-motor-oil

Somehow you ended up on the thailand valvoline page. I was excited that valvoline actually listed base oils for their synpower line which is no longer made in the us then i noticed it said thailand in the lin

edit also noticed its extended protection not extended performance. Whoops

"NOACK <15" [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Rod Knock]

I like schaeffers i just wanted something cheaper to save some money and achieve the same or better results. This forum has opened my eyes to quality oils out there. Before this i thought the only truly high quality oil out there was amsoil. Glad i educated myself

When it comes to Amsoil, long live Lubrizol

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At least when it comes to Red Line Oil, in all my conversations with them, they were honest and forthcoming with any information that they could share and never had that "elitist" attitude that Amsoil reps have sometimes.

 

[Rod Knock]

"NOACK <15" [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

If I had to guess, I would say that Noack for the EP line is:

0W-20: 13%
5W-20: 12%
5W-30: 11%

These numbers could be better, but I know they use the cheapest base oils they can get their hands on. Valvoline is a blender, not a manufacturer, just like Amsoil. In fact, these two have more in common than many people think.

 

[Travis8352]

When it comes to Amsoil, long live Lubrizol

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At least when it comes to Red Line Oil, in all my conversations with them, they were honest and forthcoming with any information that they could share and never had that "elitist" attitude that Amsoil reps have sometimes.

Yes they are elitist which is why i dont like them. Ive met one honest amsoil rep and rhats it. All the others say "what does amsoil cost you say? Less than free" or "ive saved my customers millions or dollars in major repairs by switching them to amsoil". Why i hesitate to run it

 

[Burla]

What I appreciate about them is their real world testing and educating the public and allowing the marketplace to drive them to create a lot products that help dyi'rs. When you compare Amsoil to something like Lucas, you see a real movement to quality over hype. For sure they could have trained their sales people better, but they have done some cool stuff with their products. That coming from a guy bashed from amsoil guys like nobodies business, but I don't hold the product line responsible for the tactics or zealots who seam to find that brand.

 

[Travis8352]

What I appreciate about them is their real world testing and educating the public and allowing the marketplace to drive them to create a lot products that help dyi'rs. When you compare Amsoil to something like Lucas, you see a real movement to quality over hype. For sure they could have trained their sales people better, but they have done some cool stuff with their products. That coming from a guy bashed from amsoil guys like nobodies business, but I don't hold the product line responsible for the tactics or zealots who seam to find that brand.

Great points to. I agree they do make great products i just cant stand the marketing

 

[Hemi395]

Great points to. I agree they do make great products i just cant stand the marketing

Totally agree. They really do make some great products, its a shame their marketing is the way it is and they're so tight lipped about their formulas. I do appreciate their test results tho. Can't say I've seen many other oil companies, if any, post test results like they do.

 

[Rod Knock]

What I appreciate about them is their real world testing and educating the public and allowing the marketplace to drive them to create a lot products that help dyi'rs. When you compare Amsoil to something like Lucas, you see a real movement to quality over hype. For sure they could have trained their sales people better, but they have done some cool stuff with their products. That coming from a guy bashed from amsoil guys like nobodies business, but I don't hold the product line responsible for the tactics or zealots who seam to find that brand.

AMSOIL can't be compared to Lucas Oil. That would be heresy. Me criticizing AMSOIL a bit for their, at times, backward marketing is one thing. I still buy their products, though. The entire driveline in the RAM 1500 is filled with AMSOIL products, and I bought about 30 quarts or so of AMSOIL ATL to change the transmission fluid in our Hyundais. It's mostly PAO (unlike Lifeguard 8, yet I still bought it for the RAM 1500 to avoid other issues), and it can take a lot of abuse.

Lucas Oil is a scummy, two-bit company, who made a fortune by misleading the consumer by selling them Group I bright stock masquerading as "Oil Stabilizer" at a 5000% profit margin. That one product alone destroyed so many engines. You can't trust anything Lucas Oil prints or says, from their PDS/SDS documents to their marketing. Just stay away from Lucas Oil products. That's about the safest thing you can do.

 

[srv1]

Just dumped in my first bottle of lubegard.With 7 qts. of oil that put me just over the full mark.Is that gonna be o.k?I've read alot of you guys are running 7.5 qts..7 qts. of Mobil 1 full synthetic 5w 30,1-15oz. bottle of lubegard along with a fram ultra synthetic xg16.2004 reg. cab ,8' bed 87K.Also can anyone please tell me if lubegard is going to darken my oil?