Unhappy with 1500 towing. Need Help

IvoryHemi

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That's not been my experience at all. And to be honest in terms of braking I feel very little effect of the trailer since the trailer should be stopping its own weight.

Trailer brakes aren’t active <15 mph with the OEM brake controller
 

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Trailer brakes aren’t active <15 mph with the OEM brake controller

You're really grasping at straws here. Remember the context of this discussion, towing at highway speeds. And if we're not talking highway speeds anymore, my truck has zero issues stopping my 7000 pounds, and A) you're probably not able to pull much more than 8000 pounds due to payload even with 3.92 and B) at that point just do it right and get a 2500 which is the reason they exist.

I'll have to double check my trailer next time I tow as I never felt the brakes cutting out at low speeds. Not saying you're wrong in this aspect, it's just a nothing burger as I never even noticed that on my truck to date.
 

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Trailer brakes aren’t active <15 mph with the OEM brake controller
I've read about this being an issue for people; not a very good "feature" and Ram doesn't seem to think it's an issue. The manual slider to apply the brakes still works, I use it every time I hook up my 5w for a tug-test.
I have noticed some "surges" in the past that this would explain, but I didn't attribute it to this as I didn't know it was an issue at the time.
 

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You guys talking about the gear ratio .... it's frustrating to see that come up because it has no effect. It just means he is in 5th instead of 6th but the power and rpms are the same at those 2 points in otherwise identical trucks.

@392DevilDog you are probably correct about revving the hemi high, but on the other hand very few have the stomach to do that. For a start it's very loud, very exhausting, and uses a metric ton of fuel.

IMHO if I can't tow my trailer at < 2500 on straight level ground with a small/moderate headwind, then my truck isn't big enough.

Below is a comparison video just released yesterday. It compares a hemi vs Ford Hybrid vs Toyota vs GM 3.0 diesel. I think the outcome of that video is so obvious; the hemi is "screaming away", the two turbos are cruising at 2300 or less and the diesel takes the crown. It's why I want that diesel so bad.

OP, my suggestion, try a diesel (either the GM or the Ram's ED, but keep payload in mind!!) if you end up ditching your truck for something else. I tow with a 3.21 and sit in 6th at 2300 RPMs, which is comfortable for me, but I probably wouldn't be happy sitting at 3000 forever:
After reviewing the video, a couple of comments:

First, I think the Rebel was disadvantaged due to its heavier, oversize tires, which probably impacted the fuel consumption test quite a bit.

I also noticed that during the test the rear seats were in the upright position. I have tested this myself with a Db meter and the rear seats in the down position help damper the sound coming through the rear cab vents. I'm not sure, but I believe on top of that the Rebel comes with different (presumably louder) mufflers.

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2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 03 June 2018. Now at: 066221 miles.
 

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Anyone tried to see what the addition of power does to help with towing? I know gearing is more effective, but what about tuning and engine mods? I’m at about 50 or more hp/tq over stock. Surely, that bump in power, in a 1500, will make towing a TT , not so much a disappointment.
 

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After reviewing the video, a couple of comments:

First, I think the Rebel was disadvantaged due to its heavier, oversize tires, which probably impacted the fuel consumption test quite a bit.

I also noticed that during the test the rear seats were in the upright position. I have tested this myself with a Db meter and the rear seats in the down position help damper the sound coming through the rear cab vents. I'm not sure, but I believe on top of that the Rebel comes with different (presumably louder) mufflers.

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2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 03 June 2018. Now at: 066221 miles.

That was a Rebel GT so I believe it comes with the louder exhaust yes. But I was just pointing out the high revving nature of the hemi, like all N/A engines it's going to scream when making power and that is probably disconcerting to most people who are new to towing.

I'm certainly not going to pull a devildog and park my truck in 3rd gear/4000+ rpms for hours on end. Going up a grade for a few minutes is one thing, sustained towing - not a chance.
 
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IMO:

Ford

Pro: best gas powertrain combo with 7.3L V8, 10-speed auto/4.30 axle and 34 gallon tank.

Con: hard plastic interior materials everywhere, rough ride

GM

Pro: independent front suspension gives decent ride, 36 gallon tank

Con: old 6-speed automatic with the 6.6L gasser and only 3.73 axle, average interior quality

Ram

Pro: coil or air suspension, best interior quality, ZF trans, 4.10 axle

Con: 31 gallon tank, smallest interior space with old 4th Gen cab
So, after spending many hours both surfing the web and visiting the dealerships I’m in concurrence with IvoryHemi’s assessment on the pros and cons. So far the F-250 seems to offer the most truck for the money. I’ve already posted that I don’t want to go diesel. The Ford offers the 7.3 with the 10 speed but 3:55 gears or 4:30. If I wanted the 3:73 I would have to go with the 6.2 and the 6 speed or an F-350. 4:30 is way too steep of a gear for me. That’s for really heavy duty stuff or drag racing in my opinion. One of the “cons” for me is that the Ford is about 18” longer. That’s big enough for for non trailer-pulling parking problems including in the garage. I’ve got a decent sized garage but my vehicles have to share it with a lot of my woodworking machines, one of my many hobbies. And, the Ford is pretty damned tall with about 1-1/2” to spare height wise. Comparably equipped the Ford seems to be priced the best, at least the way I have been building them online. I do like the F-250 towing mirrors. Power retractable, telescopic and heated. No need to flip them 90 degrees like the Ram mirrors I’ve been looking at. No doubt many here will be touting the Ram 2500 and I really like the 8 speed transmission/gearing combinations but as I mentioned before I am having difficulty getting past the fact that it’s made in Mexico. I know that no matter where it’s assembled it could have foreign parts from various countries and ultimately Ram/FCA is in charge of quality control but I just like to see vehicles assembled here by American workers.
Nothing is going to happen real fast because there’s not much out there to purchase unless I get lucky so once the weather breaks I’ll still be using my lovely Longhorn but staying within the flatlands. Thanx
Hank
 

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The GM interior is not "poor quality". In fact it's probably the other way around, due to use of harder materials it will probably last longer than the Ram. It's very functional and very durable, it just looks plain and simple. If you can ignore the looks, it will last long and serve you well.

It has probably the best towing electronics at this point, it's camera system is really well advanced.

I'd also trust the new 6.6 over the Hemi 6.4, I'm not sure I ever want another hemi again.

It does have the worst transmission, definite con, but I haven't towed with it so its hard to say just how noticable those 2 gears are compared to the Ram.

The only Ford I'd get is the 7.3, can't stand the looks of the exterior. Apparently that 7.3 is something else when it comes to pulling but you also do appear to pay at the pump.

The absolute last thing I'd ever care about is where its assembled. Buy what works for you, all kinds of Americans are benefiting from any truck purchase you make, whether or not they do the final assembly.
 
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the gm 6.6 HD trucks are an ok option and I know people that own em but the weak link is the 6 speed tranny. I've had one and they just dont ever seem to be in the right gear unlike the 8 speed tranny in my ram. it is night and day better. there do seem to be a few more chevys on the lots to pick from right now tho.
 
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