Weight confusion.

[Kenny kustom]

Hello. I have a 14 2500 CCSB 6.7L.
Door sticker says 10K. I went to the scales today, it weighed in at 7919 lbs.

With out me in it and 3/4 tank fuel.

So that leaves 2082 for payload. Put my family and all our crap in it. Say 800 lbs.. leaves me with 1282 lbs.

So, that means i can only have a tongue or pin weight of less than 1282 lbs...

Is that correct ? Thats really not much. I bought a 30ft TT in the fall, with a tongue weight of 782 lbs. I had my F150 then. Havent pulled the camper with the ram yet.

I was all excited to be able to get a larger fifth wheel next summer.

 

[jlb]

That is the 6.7 killing your GVWR. The truck can definitely handle a lot more safely, but the law won't see it that way if you really get into a pickle.

Out in farm, and ranch country, there isn't much to worry about since most people are a lot less litigious, but all it takes is one ******* to cut you off while you are towing, and "over weight," and you could be in a lot of hurt.

 

[14hemiexpress]

You are correct its crazy how fast you run out of payload. Especially when you have a truck full of people. A 1200 tounge weight is extremely heavy. Not likely you'll actually run out of payload with just family and a trailer. The bigger trailers still keep a realistic hitch weight.

 

[Kenny kustom]

I was looking at a winnebago 32' fifth wheel. 8K dry 11.5K gvwr, but it has a hitch weight of 1570 lbs !!

 

[Cthulhu]

Max GVWR is the most your truck can weigh.. So I'm assuming the 10K you mentioned is your Max GVWR..
10,000lb - Max GVWR
-7919lb - Truck Weight
---------------------------
2081lb - Remaining GVWR
-800lbs - Fixed payload (family, cargo)
---------------------------
1281lbs - Remaining GVWR

You didn't make the use of curb weights or anything else 'fed' to buyers so that took some wind out my sails. You might be a bit heavy at 800lbs for your family, unless you are all 200lb farmers. I'd take any cargo and put it in the trailer, reducing your load in your truck.

From DieselHub
Ram 2500 Tow Specs
Max GVWR: 10,000lb
Max GCWR: 25,000lb (This is trailer+truck+cargo)
Max Payload: 3,140lb
Max Conventional Tow: 17,0000lb
Max 5th Wheel Tow: 17,970lb

Your conundrum is honestly why I like 3500s, without dispute...
Ram 3500 Tow Specs
Max GVWR: 14,000lbs
Max GCWR: 37,600lbs
Max Payload: 6,720lbs
Max Conventional Tow: 17,000lb
Max 5th Wheel Tow: 30,000lbs

 

[14hemiexpress]

I was looking at a winnebago 32' fifth wheel. 8K dry 11.5K gvwr, but it has a hitch weight of 1570 lbs !!

I will retract my previous statement, some of the fifth wheels are crazy hitch weights, I just looked some up that were nearly 4000... Seems crazy to me. I was just on dutchmen's webpage and there trailers vary greatly there was a 28 that had a hitch weight of 1400 and a 37 that had a hitch weight of just over 800.... Must be configureation.

 

[Kenny kustom]

Maybe i could put the wife and mother n law in the trailer ? ? ?

It seems, that when comparing close models between TT and 5er, the TT usually has a lower hitch weight.

It was a stretch to make the wife let me buy a " farmers " truck. Maybe stick with this truck and trailer for now, then get a 3500 and larger 5er down the road.

 

[jlb]

How big is your wife...?

JKJKJKJKJKJK!!!!!!!

I like the shift cargo to the trailer idea, but it is a pain in the ass to be worrying about a pound here, and there making a difference in your GVWR. Like Cthulhu said, I haven't had a 2500 for towing since 96. After that I have always gone with 3500s. Still up in the air a lot of the time on the SRW vs. DRW based on how much of what I am doing at the time, but... You will make it work.

 

[Cthulhu]

@JLB I think the only time I'd buy a DRW is if I was hauling for a living, or I had a camper. The current SRWs seem to handle loads fine, provided you aren't too top heavy. Less rubber to burn, less rubber to turn. (cost of rubber, cost of fuel).

 

[SWJewellTN]

I was looking at a winnebago 32' fifth wheel. 8K dry 11.5K gvwr, but it has a hitch weight of 1570 lbs !!

I have a 2500 to pull a 30' TT that's got a tongue weight of 882 lbs and a loaded weight of about 8,500 lbs. The truck tows it great. I too was looking at a Winnebago about that size, and they were listing the hitch weight at 2,500 lbs IIRC. I asked the salesman about it and he said that couldn't be correct. I would contact Winnebago directly and confirm the weight.

 

[Kenny kustom]

I have a 2500 to pull a 30' TT that's got a tongue weight of 882 lbs and a loaded weight of about 8,500 lbs. The truck tows it great. .

Thats pretty much what mine is now. It was a little much for my F150.
Was great without a wind. But, any headwind caused it to drop into 3rd and throw a fit. It wasnt much fun..

I will confirm any weights before purchasing a fifth.

 

[BoldAdventure]

In the states Dot only cares that you are not over GAWR and the tires, not the GVWR. They also are not in the habit of bothering motorist who aren't commercial.

 

[Cthulhu]

While I agree you likely won't be pulled over for exceeding your weight limits marginally, there has been considerable enforcement in Canada for grossly over-weight vehicles. I can't say I disagree either, given we were almost run off the road last year by a vehicle losing control down the Roger's pass with a brake fire. He had what must have been a 7-10,000lb Travel trailer behind a 1/2 ton with no idea how to manage it. I'd be in favour of periodic weigh scale requirements for non-CDLs just to keep people honest. They are on vacation anyways, they aren't in a hurry. If the scale is slow, why not.

JMHO.

 

[Kenny kustom]

I'm not going to run over weight.
Manitoba has class 3 license for trailers over 10k.
Also, because my truck is over 10k, that means yearly inspections.
I have no problem with either.

 

[loveracing1988]

Max GVWR is the most your truck can weigh.. So I'm assuming the 10K you mentioned is your Max GVWR..
10,000lb - Max GVWR
-7919lb - Truck Weight
---------------------------
2081lb - Remaining GVWR
-800lbs - Fixed payload (family, cargo)
---------------------------
1281lbs - Remaining GVWR

You didn't make the use of curb weights or anything else 'fed' to buyers so that took some wind out my sails. You might be a bit heavy at 800lbs for your family, unless you are all 200lb farmers. I'd take any cargo and put it in the trailer, reducing your load in your truck.

From DieselHub
Ram 2500 Tow Specs
Max GVWR: 10,000lb
Max GCWR: 25,000lb (This is trailer+truck+cargo)
Max Payload: 3,140lb
Max Conventional Tow: 17,0000lb
Max 5th Wheel Tow: 17,970lb

Your conundrum is honestly why I like 3500s, without dispute...
Ram 3500 Tow Specs
Max GVWR: 14,000lbs
Max GCWR: 37,600lbs
Max Payload: 6,720lbs
Max Conventional Tow: 17,000lb
Max 5th Wheel Tow: 30,000lbs

There is no 2500 with a Cummins that has a payload of 3140 pounds. My 2500 with the 6.4 isn't even that high and the engine in my truck is about 800 pounds lighter than the Cummins.

 

[Stangshcky12]

F150 have stupid high payloads
The new ones are rated for 3,300 lbs properly equipped I think
I know I'd much rather pull that weight with my cummins rather then an ecoboost

 

[TRCM]

In the states Dot only cares that you are not over GAWR and the tires, not the GVWR. They also are not in the habit of bothering motorist who aren't commercial.

Uhhh.,....don't come 'round these parts if you really believe that.

I had a fit registering my 3500 dually & GN trailer several years ago because the previous owner lied about the weights so he could get cheaper plates.

They are cracking down on that, especially around here where lying to get car plates for a truck cuz it's cheaper by about 500% is commonplace.

 

[Kenny kustom]

Why doesn't the combined axle ratings equal the gvwr?

My front is 6k
Rear is 6500

 

[Andy578]

While I agree you likely won't be pulled over for exceeding your weight limits marginally, there has been considerable enforcement in Canada for grossly over-weight vehicles. I can't say I disagree either, given we were almost run off the road last year by a vehicle losing control down the Roger's pass with a brake fire. He had what must have been a 7-10,000lb Travel trailer behind a 1/2 ton with no idea how to manage it. I'd be in favour of periodic weigh scale requirements for non-CDLs just to keep people honest. They are on vacation anyways, they aren't in a hurry. If the scale is slow, why not.

JMHO.

yep they are cracking down pretty hard on people going far beyond their trucks ratings. i think it's mainly aimed at people towing massive TTs with 1/2 tons or even worse SUVs and vans that were really never designed to tow

 

[14hemiexpress]

Why doesn't the combined axle ratings equal the gvwr?

My front is 6k
Rear is 6500

Because the suspension isn't rated for the weight. I'm not 100% sure but I believe the axles from 3/4 and 1 ton (SRW) are the same its all suspension that makes the difference.