Which Octane gas are you using?

[Dubstep Shep]

Quote " methanol and ethanol are hydroscopic they attract and absorb water "
That seems clear to me
Check into phase separation in gasohol and the problems it can cause , these are separate from the other reasons not to use it in an older vehicle

I'd love to see a source on your claims please.

And as far as gov subsides they haven't given in , they are determined to make us use more ethanol , incentives , tarrifs , and forcing gas stations to use more ethanol pumps , the epa is involved now , that means it never goes away , they will make us like it

 

[Hemifatboy]

Nah I'm bored with it , either Google it yourself if you really care or just believe what ever you want , I don't care

 

[SlowRoller]

I remember the old days when they sold a product called 'heet' up north. (Mid West US) It helped to prevent water in the fuel system of gas powered engines from freezing up. (A somewhat common problem many moons ago)

If you read Dubsteps posts above, you'll understand what was in it and how it 'worked',,,

The introduction of Ethanol sure made that product (and frozen gas lines) a thing of the past,,

We've had nothing but 10% around here for,,, Jeez, close to 30 years now,,, I think I had a weed wacker once in those 30 years that needed $3 worth of fuel line to fix,,,

I couldn't tell if it was 'that Evil Ethy!!!!!' or,,,, just a cheep ass fuel line that went south after YEARS of sitting in gas,,, LOL!!!

 

[Hemifatboy]

Hey slowroller instead of telling me about your weed wacker like that proves something ,Google phase separation in ethanol blended fuels ,and learn something , water doesn't mix and burn just fine it combines with ethanol into a bad mixture and sinks to the bottom of your gas tank , it can cause multiple problems .
Now ethanol cost more to produce then gas so to remain competitive they have been subsidising it for 30 years , it hasn't worked it still cost more to produce then gas and you have to burn much more for the same power . They have been eliminating the subsidies but the gov doesn't quit they just find new ways to promote and subsidize it through tarrifs and penalties to gas stations that won't comply , it's been a huge boondoggle that just won't go away

 

[Hemifatboy]

You can't transport ethanol in pipelines it's to corrosive , so it's transported mostly by truck , more expense , and it takes huge amounts of water to make it , we just don't have that much water , there's other problems to it creates formaldehyde when burned which causes cancer , look into it , the stuff ain't all it's cracked up to be

 

[Hemifatboy]

And if you don't want to look it up great , buy it drink it do whatever you like with it , just let those of us that care buy our regular old gas , we will pay more even though it should be cheaper

 

[Dubstep Shep]

I've done quite a bit of research, some of it firsthand in an engines labratory, and it contradicts what you are saying.

So please, start acting like an adult and provide a source, otherwise everything you say is just meaningless ********.

 

[Hemifatboy]

Did you google phase separation in ethanol blended fuels , there's many sources , im trying my best to be civil with you but calling my statements ******** without even trying to check them out is puzzling

 

[Hemifatboy]

It has huge advantages in racing as a fuel there's no denying that but that's a controlled environment , much different then real world conditions

 

[loveracing1988]

You can't transport ethanol in pipelines it's to corrosive , so it's transported mostly by truck , more expense , and it takes huge amounts of water to make it , we just don't have that much water , there's other problems to it creates formaldehyde when burned which causes cancer , look into it , the stuff ain't all it's cracked up to be

Methanol produces formaldehyde, not ethanol. Why is it every thread i have seen you get into turns into a huge argument?

 

[Hemifatboy]

So that's all you got I said ethanol produces formaldehyde not methanol , wow since that was my last point I guess the rest checked out with you , I tried to get out of this argument I really don't care what you believe , but I've been goaded into it , if you can't see that oh well

 

[SlowRoller]

Hey slowroller instead of telling me about your weed wacker

Research? You appear to assume that you are the only one who's ever looked into this,,,

And that my 30+ years of first hand experience with Ethy is somehow 'wrong'?

How about I just place you on ignore instead??

Time for fat boy to have a 'time out'

 

[Dubstep Shep]

Did you google phase separation in ethanol blended fuels , there's many sources , im trying my best to be civil with you but calling my statements ******** without even trying to check them out is puzzling

I know what phase separation is lol, I have no need to Google it. Testing ethanol content (something I've done hundreds of times) actually uses the phase separation to measure it. What you fail to understand is that 100% gasoline will undergo phase separation as well, but instead of a ethanol/water solution separation from the gasoline, you just have water. I can tell you that the just water solution will be far worse for your engine.

Though the fact that you get all your information from the internet seems to indicate that you'll believe just about anything, including all the ******** that is thrown around about ethanol. I have experience building motors, working in a University Engine Laboratory conducting research on ethanol and a variety of other fuels, and I have spent countless hours speaking with people that literally have been researching engines and fuels since before you were even legally allowed to drive a car.

So that's all you got I said ethanol produces formaldehyde not methanol , wow since that was my last point I guess the rest checked out with you , I tried to get out of this argument I really don't care what you believe , but I've been goaded into it , if you can't see that oh well

That's exactly his point. You claim ethanol produces formaldehyde. That claim is false. I'll even cite some sources so you can educate yourself and stop spreading your ignorance. Or at least I hope that's what you'll do, though the ignorant rarely are willing to become otherwise.

From Congressional Record, V. 146, Pt. 3, March 21, 2000 to April 4, 2000, page 3328 found here: https://books.google.com/books?id=N7byI1yLTJgC&pg=PA3328&lpg=PA3328&dq=ethanol+produces+formaldehyde&source=bl&ots=c7ady0ZYiB&sig=c3J736j4P-q_QfFNZmPb_EyiYuk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAGoVChMIoqn45aihyAIVSdWACh0GOAev#v=onepage&q=ethanol%20produces%20formaldehyde&f=false

"First of all, ethanol does not produce formaldehyde. MTBE produces formaldehyde. NRDC sites as their reference a study submitted to the California legislature entitled “An Evaluation of the Scientific Peer Review Research and Literature on the Human Health Effect of MTBE, its Metabolites, Combustion Products and Substitute Compounds.” However, in another report, “Air Quality Impacts on the Use of Ethanol in California Reformulated Gasoline,” the California Environmental Protection Agency’s Air Resources Board states, “The major products of concern for ethanol are acetaldehyde and peroxyacetyl nitrate, an eye irritant. These compounds are offset by reductions in formaldehyde.”
Let me repeat that. The California Environmental Protection Agency directly contradicts a statement by the NRDC by saying that some products from the burning of ethanol produce acetaldehyde and certain nitrates, but that those compounds are offset by reductions in formaldehyde due to the elimination of MTBE. So it appears that NRDC was mistaken."


From the Wikipedia page on Alcohol dehydrogenase, found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_dehydrogenase

"Alcohol dehydrogenase is also involved in the toxicity of other types of alcohol: For instance, it oxidizes methanol to produce formaldehyde and ethylene glycol to ultimately yield glycolic and oxalic acids."

So you're wrong lol. Surprise! Not.

And as to your point on the subsidies still being around, go read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/business/energy-environment/after-three-decades-federal-tax-credit-for-ethanol-expires.html?_r=0

 

[SlowRoller]

Hemifatboy

This message is hidden because Hemifatboy is on your ignore list.


Yep, as far as I'm concerned, he's through with this subject (and all others), even if I did had to help him live up to his promise.

 

[Hemifatboy]

Yawn use it , love it , I don't care , I'm not using that crap fuel unless I'm forced to , no personal attacks from me no need to hide under the bed , in fact I want you to use it every chance you get

 

[Dubstep Shep]

Yawn use it , love it , I don't care , I'm not using that crap fuel unless I'm forced to , no personal attacks from me no need to hide under the bed , in fact I want you to use it every chance you get

Hey look, he completely ignored any of my points and refuses to listed to anyone but himself.

You're pathetically ignorant. Go spread your stupidity elsewhere.

 

[Hemifatboy]

Your half truths don't convince me , sure gas absorbs small amounts of water and you can see a little phase separation in the bottom of your tank but ethanol attracts and absorbs much much more water , again no personal attacts , I want you to use that crap fuel , enjoy

 

[loveracing1988]

 

[Dubstep Shep]

Your half truths don't convince me , sure gas absorbs small amounts of water and you can see a little phase separation in the bottom of your tank but ethanol attracts and absorbs much much more water , again no personal attacts , I want you to use that crap fuel , enjoy

"Half truths"

"ethanol attracts and absorbs much much more water"

Please be more specific with your statements and provide evidence or references for where you are getting your information or ****.

 

[Hemifatboy]

I'm actually working but I found this in a couple minutes it wasn't tough , go to fuel-testers .com they claim its 50 times greater water absorption