Will it pull? RAM 3500 SRW 2022 vs 17000lb Toy Hauler

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Hi we are about to purchase our first ToyHauler Fuzion 379 2022. Looking at the numbers I'm starting to get concerned..

Truck:
RAM 3500 SWD 8" box 2022
6.7L Diesel, 6 SPD, 68RFE
3.73 Axle Ratio, GVWR 12300 lb
Payload 4000lb, GCWR 28300
Max Trailer 20000lb

RV:
FUZION 379 2022
UVW 14520
GVWR 17000
Hitch Weight 3155

From what I've heard the hitch weight number given by manufacturers is usually more or less a base value, depending on the amount of real cargo capacity.
This unit has a relatively low cargo capacity. ~ 2400lb

I have concerns that my truck won't be able to pull me and my wife safely, when maxing out the cargo capacity.
Let's say we assume the real hitch weight is 20% over the GVWR 17000lb, that results in a hitch weight of 3400lb.
Adding a 200lb B&W hitch = 3600lb Payload...
Adding passengers 300lb = 3900lb

My concerns are: Is that a safe setup for the passengers, the Truck and overall Rig? Also we have concerns about liability and warranty. Thinking about GVWR of the Truck
e.g....

Would be easier if RV dealers would have a CAT scale :)

Many thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Dennis
 

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The only issue I see is payload, the truck itself would do fine. Keep in mind that once you load the 5W up you’ll be close to PL max, before even considering hitch weight, passengers, etc. Some folks on here follow PL closely, others don’t worry about it as much. I’ll let them throw in their 2 cents but a CAT scale will be a must.
 

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I think you will be ok but I would go to a CAT scale to see how much weight is on your rear axle. As long as your front and rear axles are below gross axle ratings I think you would be ok. The other options are either a dually or smaller trailer.
 

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With a toy hauler, will the hitch weight actually go down when loaded since the toys go in the back, behind the axles?
 

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I have seen rigs like this going down the road a lot. Back in the day when I towed a larger fiver..I had a dually and it had the aisin tranny so I didnt care about the numbers quite so much. Toy haulers are just plain heavy! Man thats a lot of RV.
 
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I think you'll be fine. You may be close to payload, but doubt you'd be over your axle weight rating. As other have said, check your true weights via CAT scaling.
 

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At what point is a CDL required? MY GOD they keep getting bigger and bigger. That's not a 5th wheel, it's a house! You'll hit that max trailer payload the 3rd trip out.
 

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The Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act requires every state to meet the same minimum standards for commercial driver licensing. The standards require drivers to get a Commercial Driver License (CDL) to operate any of the following commercial motor vehicles:

  • A vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) in excess of 26,000 pounds.
  • A combination of trailer and towing unit which exceeds 26,000 pounds GVWR with the trailer in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.
  • A vehicle designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver.
  • Any size vehicle which transports hazardous materials which requires a Hazmat placard.
  • At what point is a CDL required? MY GOD they keep getting bigger and bigger. That's not a 5th wheel, it's a house! You'll hit that max trailer payload the 3rd trip out.
 

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That's a lot of trailer, I'd probably want a drw truck for that much weight and trailer length. I would say it really depends on the length of trips you take and the terrain. I just came back from towing my much smaller 5w from NH to VA and back, and I know there's a lot of variables towing through that state, like most. If you're going into the mountains, you would probably appreciate the drw, but if it's short trips to the KOa at the beach, it's less concerning.
 

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FYI...the OP posted this same thread in the Keystone RV forums. The OP never returned to the forum after the initial post, same here. His thread in the RV forum was locked. Again just FYI.
 

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I guess he did not like the answers
 

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The only issue I see is payload, the truck itself would do fine. Keep in mind that once you load the 5W up you’ll be close to PL max, before even considering hitch weight, passengers, etc. Some folks on here follow PL closely, others don’t worry about it as much. I’ll let them throw in their 2 cents but a CAT scale will be a must.
DITTO on the CAT Scale
 

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In NC you do not need the weighted tags for RVs. But just about any other trailer you do, if you meet certain weights. Even boats and those lowes utility trailers
 

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At what point is a CDL required? MY GOD they keep getting bigger and bigger. That's not a 5th wheel, it's a house! You'll hit that max trailer payload the 3rd trip out.

In most states an RV is exempt and no further licenses needed. CA requires an endorsement I believe if the trailer alone is 10k GVW or higher. PA is similar but rarely enforced and only offers the testing and licensing at limited locations. NJ has no restrictions on RVs other than 65' total length but I've never heard it being checked. If you're actually concerned you will need to check your registered state for requirements.
If your rig is over the 26k and is used to make you money, the yes you need a CDL.
 
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