Won't go into 8 gear

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Well I went ahead and bought the 2014 sport hemi cc 4x4, lifted with 35in tires.

When I drive 55 it won't go into 8 gear. When I get to 61mph it will go into 8gear, is that because of the larger tires.

Also the speed odometer is 3mph faster. Will that through off the mpg by 3mpg. Thanks for the help. Just trying to learn the new addition to the family.

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You'll lose mpg because youre now rocking 35s. Whether you lose 3mpg is hard to say as Ive never put 35s on my truck.
Your shift points should be based off RPM
 

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You need to get your computer reprogrammed for those tires. There is about 100rpm difference at 60 witch is enough to keep your truck from shifting into 8th.
 
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I have 3:21 gears and I looked at the nav on the radio and it says I am doing 3mph faster than the gps is doing. Where can I go and have the tire size changed. Is that a dealer project also or is there a machine or place like advance auto or somewhere else I can go just to re-calibrate the tire size.

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Stock tires on some models is 33", so an extra 2" isn't much of a difference. The 8 speed is smart enough to not purposely lug the engine, or gear hunt in/out of top gear at lower speeds, even 55mph. Take the new 200 sedan or Jeep Cherokee with the 9 speed auto, you need to keep a steady 80mph+ before it will go into 9th gear. EPA rates it on the highway in 8th gear as their highway test is around 60mph. Without enough torque to maintain momentum at any given speed, the transmission won't reluctantly upshift to cause additional wear on the drive train by having the engine lug. The transmission relies on engine rpm for cooling as well. Vehicles are smart.

As for the mileage loss, it's not just the tires alone, it's the lift. Increased drag at speed will lower mileage. The engine will also have to work harder, especially if you have 3.55 gears. Going with larger tires, and to not decrease performance the 3.92 gears is adequate, although if you plan to do any off roading it's best to go deeper, with 4.56 gears, and you'll find you'll get into top gear sooner, but I would never force a trans (manually shifting) to get into a higher gear that it doesn't want to, as the on board computer system does try to maximize proper cooling, and efficiency at any speed. Hence why manufactures spend multimillions on automatic transmissions, and a manual isn't even offered anymore.

With my stock 2011 Hemi Quad Cab 4x4 with 31.6" tires and 3.55 gears, I can cruse at 65mph at ~1645rpm in top gear which is comfortable for the weight of the vehicle. If I added a lift and 35" tires I would run ~1485rpm also with 3.55 gears. 3.92 gears would bump that up to ~1640rpm, roughly what my Ram does stock. Going deeper, with 4.56 gears, would up that more to roughly 1900rpm, limiting downshifting at slower highway speeds (45-55mph). With your current 35's, you'll be turning ~1254rpm at 55mph with 3.55 gears, or ~1387rpm at 55mph with 3.92 gears, which is very low. 4.56gears at 55mph would increase it to a more comfortable ~1614rpm.

If you have tall gears (3.55), you'll get worse mileage in the city running larger tires as it takes more to get the truck up to speed. It also allows for greater shifting at lower highway speeds. Going with a deeper gear, will allow better in town mileage and perhaps similar stock mileage on the highway as there will be less transmission shifting, and you should be able to hold an overdrive for a longer period.
 
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So the bottom line is to get the trk re-calibrated for the right tire size and it should be ok. Thanks All

Who can do this the dealer only.
 

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I have a similar set-up (35s and 3.21 gears on a 2013 hemi) Dealers can do it. Mine wanted $110. I just bought a diablosport trinity (T-1000) programmer. It was $450 at the time and does the speedo correction and can do much more.


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So the bottom line is to get the trk re-calibrated for the right tire size and it should be ok. Thanks All

Who can do this the dealer only.

The dealer should be able to handle this. I beleive hypertec has a hand held that will recalibrate also... Dealer is probably hour service charge and the hand held is like $250 if it was me I would run it by the dealer. the 8 speed might be smart enough but it might not my truck runs in 6th at 55 and the final ratio on both transmission are the same at .67 over driven. The 3.21 will only amplify the issue. I had a 06 that had factory 17in wheels they are around 31 in tires I put the factory 20in witch are 33 and it reeked havoc on my Trans it didn't want to stay in OD it would down shift and any sign of strain a small hill would kick it out of od. I know there is a 8 year difference In technology but everything is programmed to work together.

Also lift and larger tires will kill fuel mileage. Larger tires= equals more weight to turn plus more rolling resistance. A lift will only make you less aerodynamic so you will push more wind. I think only 3mph loss is good for a lift and 35's
 
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Well I found one thing out today riding to the beach. My Tires all had 41 lbs in them. So I checked to see what the tire pressure was suppose to be. 65 lbs is what the tire calls for cold. So I put 50 lbs in them and now my truck is going into 8 gear alot more and staying in 8 gear. Will increase to 55lbs tomorrow. I think that was one of my problems, low air pressure. Still need to get the tires re-calibr. Will do that next wk.
 

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This will help your mpgs too ^

When I got my 35's on the dealer set the tires at 35 lbs. I've got then at 55 or 60 now, I can't remember. It made a difference though!
 

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So the bottom line is to get the trk re-calibrated for the right tire size and it should be ok. Thanks All

Who can do this the dealer only.

Just to clarify, having your speedo recalibrated is only going to do just that, recalibrate the speedo to display the proper speed. It will have no effect on your trans shifting into 8th. Thats purely a load/rpm issue.
 

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The 8 speed is smart enough to not purposely lug the engine, or gear hunt in/out of top gear at lower speeds, even 55mph.

Exactly. Your truck isn't going to go into 6th gear when you're going 15mph. Same effect...
 
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Mine was having a problem going into 8th when I was at 65mph or more. It would go in and out. When I went up on the air pressure that solved this issue. Now at 75mph it stays in 8 gear unless I am going up a incline.

I have federal couragia M/T.
 
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