Replace cam as preventative maintenance?

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I was thinking the same thing, to maybe change out cam and lifters before the cam got eaten and metal shavings got all over inside of the engine... Requiring to buy a new engine.

But it's quite a big and expensive job to do the cam... Probably will cost around $5k in CA where I'm at, but it's not worth fixing something that isn't broken. If the engine really explodes, I'd rather replace with a new/rebuilt one for $7-10k , with warranty, versus throwing a $5k on a cam and lifters (something that may never break) and still having an old engine with something else breaking.

I'll deal with it if it becomes a problem. For now I've been running redline 5-30 for the past year, and that should be helping to save cam and lifters from excessive wear.
 
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Yea looking back I guess the max care warranty would probably have been a good idea but it was a lot of $$ back when I bought the truck and I’m stubborn and never considered it. I think personally if the lifter and cam problem ever struck I’d get rid of the truck anyway. I’m not an experienced vehicle engine builder but I’ve been racing motorcycles for years and when something goes boom in one of those engines we rebuild the whole thing. There’s usually always more damage than just what we see on the surface.
 
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Well, if I have to replace the cam, lifters and roller bearings as a maintenance procedure, i would be rethinking owning a hemi.

Yea I bought my truck back in 2014 and wasn’t aware of any issues. This doesn’t seem like a widespread issue really but it was enough that you can’t really discount it and say it’s not a problem. Somebody else brought up heart attack’s and getting a new heart or something but if I had a large family of 20 people or so and 5 of them all had the same health issue I might be a bit concerned. Two other people here are thinking along the same lines as I am. It is a very expensive preventative maintenance measure but what is worse, paying $4000 and having the major weak point of the engine fixed. Or letting it go and having the cam get trashed and then pay for the repair but also have a possibility of further engine damage. I know I wouldn’t be owning that truck after a repair of a broken cam. I’m a military guy too, you know how much money and time we spend on preventative maintenance for stuff that may never happen, maybe that’s part of my problem haha
 

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I know that my mechanic always smiles at me and thinks I'm crazy when I start asking him about replacing parts that aren't broken. I did ask him about doing the cam and lifters prior to them breaking lol
 

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Yea I bought my truck back in 2014 and wasn’t aware of any issues. This doesn’t seem like a widespread issue really but it was enough that you can’t really discount it and say it’s not a problem. Somebody else brought up heart attack’s and getting a new heart or something but if I had a large family of 20 people or so and 5 of them all had the same health issue I might be a bit concerned. Two other people here are thinking along the same lines as I am. It is a very expensive preventative maintenance measure but what is worse, paying $4000 and having the major weak point of the engine fixed. Or letting it go and having the cam get trashed and then pay for the repair but also have a possibility of further engine damage. I know I wouldn’t be owning that truck after a repair of a broken cam. I’m a military guy too, you know how much money and time we spend on preventative maintenance for stuff that may never happen, maybe that’s part of my problem haha

I also recall how much time we spent cleaning everything. Lol
 
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Any approved oil should be more than enough to keep this problem from happening like it is. If only one brand of oil will stop it, which we don’t even know if that’s the case, the problem is on Ram. I guess I only hope these happen enough that it forces Ram to deal with it via a recall or service bulletin or something. A handful of failures I can see but these are becoming more frequent as the 13 and 14s are starting to hit the 75-100k number.
 

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Is your hemi ticking or anything ?

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Any approved oil should be more than enough to keep this problem from happening like it is. If only one brand of oil will stop it, which we don’t even know if that’s the case, the problem is on Ram. I guess I only hope these happen enough that it forces Ram to deal with it via a recall or service bulletin or something. A handful of failures I can see but these are becoming more frequent as the 13 and 14s are starting to hit the 75-100k number.

The other forum has a running tally, where as we have done testing with lubrication and reporting. 5w30 redline kills a lot of hemi ticks and the long term wear numbers are as good as it gets, so at a minimum it is a good choice. Read h395's hemi tick thread in my signature, he has done the most work with testing and reporting. I would also use synthetic filters like royal purple, and try to avoid idle as much as possible. The one thing that this tick has done is show some of us that these cams seam to be starving for oil at idle. Soon as you kick the idle up to 1200 rpms or so the tick often goes away.
 
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I think my Hemi has always had a slight tick. I can see everyone here thinks very highly of redline oil and I may try that, but that’s a bandaid solution at most. I can see where a different oil could help or possibly delay the problem but it think at almost 55k if I’m destined for that problem in the next 40k or so that oil won’t make a difference. There’s a manufacturing problem here. I just read through the running tally thread in the other forum and 2014 and even 2015s are starting to show up now.
 

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I think my Hemi has always had a slight tick. I can see everyone here thinks very highly of redline oil and I may try that, but that’s a bandaid solution at most. I can see where a different oil could help or possibly delay the problem but it think at almost 55k if I’m destined for that problem in the next 40k or so that oil won’t make a difference. There’s a manufacturing problem here. I just read through the running tally thread in the other forum and 2014 and even 2015s are starting to show up now.

Well, it's a crap shoot. Nobody knows what will happen... You've got another 1 year under your warranty? So if it craps out before your powertrain warranty runs out that's good for you. All you can do is wait or switch to redline oil, make sure 5-30! Don't worry about it, it's one of those things that are beyond your control, and deal with it if it comes your way. Just enjoy your truck ;)
 

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This prevention maintenance would void your remaining drivetrain warranty.
Not sure why you would say that. It is not true, each individual item under the drivetrain warrantee is covered as a separate item. Even replacing the cam/lifters does NOT change any of the other internal components coverage. Know that from first hand experience, so ???
 

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Not sure why you would say that. It is not true, each individual item under the drivetrain warrantee is covered as a separate item. Even replacing the cam/lifters does NOT change any of the other internal components coverage. Know that from first hand experience, so ???

Go ahead and change your cam, lifters ECT, and see if the engine warranty is in effect. Same as adding a timer and supercharger.
 

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Yeah, if the cam and lifters won't be stock, the dealer mechanic will likely notice it and they could easily deny coverage for the engine.
 

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Yeah, if the cam and lifters won't be stock, the dealer mechanic will likely notice it and they could easily deny coverage for the engine.

A) Im curious as to how they could tell. I could see the cam maybe having an engraved part number, but each lifter?

B) if aftermarket parts fix the issue, they should never be inside the engine anyway :)
 

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Define preventative maintenance, prevent it from what? It's like getting a heart transplant because you are worried you have plaque build up and you want to avoid a heart transplant. No I wouldn't be changing cams just for the purpose of preventative maintenance.

Excellent point!!

I can count at least six Hemi Ram owners that I know and one has over 160,000 miles on his, and none have had a cam replacement to my knowledge.

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Anyone that thinks the cam and lifter problem with the 5.7 Hemis is a small number doesn't have a clue. It is a huge problem that Ram is not addressing. Lifters and cams were supposedly reengineered in 2016 but Ram is not fixing the problem or acknowledging it. I have an extended warranty on my 2014 Lonestar 1500 and at 152K cam and lifters have gone out and my mechanic is waiting for the answer from the extended warranty company to see if they are going to pay for it. The adjuster told me he was surprised I got 152K before it went out. I love my truck but if Ram doesn't redesign and fix their lifter and cam problem it will be my last Ram!
 

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I was thinking the same thing, to maybe change out cam and lifters before the cam got eaten and metal shavings got all over inside of the engine... Requiring to buy a new engine.

But it's quite a big and expensive job to do the cam... Probably will cost around $5k in CA where I'm at, but it's not worth fixing something that isn't broken. If the engine really explodes, I'd rather replace with a new/rebuilt one for $7-10k , with warranty, versus throwing a $5k on a cam and lifters (something that may never break) and still having an old engine with something else breaking.

I'll deal with it if it becomes a problem. For now I've been running redline 5-30 for the past year, and that should be helping to save cam and lifters from excessive wear.

I agree, and you bring up a good point about one thing many people overlook; The FILTER.

I my hot rod, I run a zero bypass Canton filter and I have seen this same setup save many an expensive race engine from extensive damage before. Simply, all filters which have a bypass assembly WILL bypass when the filter medium gets clogged with shavings/debris from a sometimes small internal part which has failed, and once this bypass has undertaken, one is coating the rest of the engines undamaged internal parts/bearings with those very shavings the filter is supposed to protect against.
With a good oil pressure gauge in conjunction with a no-bypass filter, one knows pretty quickly (sometimes even before the failure's engine performance changes have been noticed) when there is a problem because the filter clogs and oil pressure drops and stays dropped with a no bypass type, allowing you to shut it down before the cancer spreads.
This is also another reason why a high filtration type of filter (like the Canton's) should not be used during new engine/rebuilt engine break-in periods, because the normal higher levels of bearing babbitt ect... that is floating through the oil will clog up those low-micron elements pretty quickly.

Burla also brought up the additives to exceptional/high performance oils like the Redline, and one needs to be careful of these high zinc levels of oils used in engines with modern emissions regulators like catalytic converters. A high zinc in race-oils will clog those up too, making for some performance loss and some unforeseen semi-expensive repairs to the exhaust system should a converter need to be replaced.

I run Brad Penn Racing Oil straight 30 weight (now known as Penn Grade 1) in my race engine (which never sees cold weather starts, even in storage) and it works awesome! But again, there are no emission control devices at all on my Cobra (Hell, there's barely even mufflers! LoL...)
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For those of you living in always warm climates, I would also suggest switching to a straight-weight oil as well because a straight "20" or even "30" will out-perform a "5W20" or "5W30" type, and as long as your weather doesn't dip below @45 degrees F much, the "5w" part isn't doing a ton for you. Just make sure your engine is up to temp before flogging it too badly.

Also, the farther apart the numbers are in dual viscosity oil formulas, the worse it performs at either end of the spectrum... 5W20 will act more like straight 5 when cold and more like straight 20 when hot (212 F) than a 5W30 oil will at 5 or 30. But neither will work as good as straight 5, 20, or 30 in their respective temperature ranges.
 

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A) Im curious as to how they could tell. I could see the cam maybe having an engraved part number, but each lifter?

B) if aftermarket parts fix the issue, they should never be inside the engine anyway :)
I'm guessing here, but I do believe that various aftermarket and performance lifters do look a little bit different, or beefier.

Cams probably have part numbers or model engraved on them
 
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