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Say YAH to da U.P., eh?
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I remember when synthetic first came out they were talking 30,000 miles between changes. What happened… was it marketing lies?
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ARGH, the dreaded white chit, lol.
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Yep. Lots of asterisks. They took the best case laboratory engine and conditions and marketed it in big print for owners. The asterisk fine print contained a pile of disclaimers that nobody could ever attain that.
This is what we call deceptive advertising. A kernel of truth is applied to buyers who could never apply the product that way.
Occasionally, the FTC slaps these down.
If you think this is bad, you should see how they deceive and steal in the healthcare industry.
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500.000km / 310.000 miles out of an engine is ok in my book.
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500.000km / 310.000 miles out of an engine is ok in my book.
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Wait, what?
The shallow Hemi lifter angle causes oil to drain back too fast? Since when does less gravity cause faster flow?
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Hey guys, I haven’t been on this thread in a while because I’ve just kind of been patiently waiting around until fall comes back around when it’s time to do another oil change and I get another oil analysis report to share after using that Schaeffers 9000 extreme but after joining up over there at that oil forum provided by a guy named Bob, I came across some other information that I thought was really intriguing that pertains to why all of us 5.7L hemi owners are at such a risk of failed lifters and cam shafts.
As far as whether or not this is a true lubrication issue as old Tony on YouTube puts it, I don’t know but, I made a thread over there asking about opinions towards staying with Schaeffers 9000 extreme, going back to the Amsoil Signature Series or try the 5w20 version of the red line performance 5W30 that most of you guys use and because I guess I made the mistake of addressing the lubrication issues of these engines, it sparked a whole other debate and pretty much everybody that responded is saying that it’s not a lubrication issue and that it’s pretty much just because supposedly when they manufacture the lifters and the needle bearings inside the rollers that sometimes they may not make them hard enough as others which is pretty much why only some engines have this problem and why not all of them have this problem because they pretty much said that if it was a true lubrication issue then every engine would be the destined to fail.
When I mentioned I had heard that some of you guys had said that on the early stages of having the hemi tick that you’ve actually corrected the problem with red light performance 5W 30, they all thought that was hilarious and said that no oil will fix that kind of a problem and my response was well, all I can say is what I’ve read and that I don’t know these people so I can’t verify if they’re telling the truth or if they’re just making stuff up.
Basically the general consensus of that discussion is you’re pretty much wasting money by buying what they refer to as boutique oils. I did however ask the question a couple times to two different people saying basically what do you expect me to do, just say the hell with it and just let the dealer put in whatever it came with from the factory and take my chances whether it happens or not by letting that little oil life meter tell me when it’s time to change the oil and just not worry about it because I do have lifetime warranty on the truck.
Not only that, I’ve had quite a few of them tell me that I’m fighting the great knowledge that I’ve received over there and I responded by saying what about all the other information that I thought was really good information that I’ve heard elsewhere. I haven’t yet gotten a response on that question either.
As far as whether or not this is a true lubrication issue as old Tony on YouTube puts it, I don’t know but, I made a thread over there asking about opinions towards staying with Schaeffers 9000 extreme, going back to the Amsoil Signature Series or try the 5w20 version of the red line performance 5W30 that most of you guys use and because I guess I made the mistake of addressing the lubrication issues of these engines, it sparked a whole other debate and pretty much everybody that responded is saying that it’s not a lubrication issue and that it’s pretty much just because supposedly when they manufacture the lifters and the needle bearings inside the rollers that sometimes they may not make them hard enough as others which is pretty much why only some engines have this problem and why not all of them have this problem because they pretty much said that if it was a true lubrication issue then every engine would be the destined to fail.
When I mentioned I had heard that some of you guys had said that on the early stages of having the hemi tick that you’ve actually corrected the problem with red light performance 5W 30, they all thought that was hilarious and said that no oil will fix that kind of a problem and my response was well, all I can say is what I’ve read and that I don’t know these people so I can’t verify if they’re telling the truth or if they’re just making stuff up.
Basically the general consensus of that discussion is you’re pretty much wasting money by buying what they refer to as boutique oils. I did however ask the question a couple times to two different people saying basically what do you expect me to do, just say the hell with it and just let the dealer put in whatever it came with from the factory and take my chances whether it happens or not by letting that little oil life meter tell me when it’s time to change the oil and just not worry about it because I do have lifetime warranty on the truck.
Not only that, I’ve had quite a few of them tell me that I’m fighting the great knowledge that I’ve received over there and I responded by saying what about all the other information that I thought was really good information that I’ve heard elsewhere. I haven’t yet gotten a response on that question either.
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Lol, if you want to make a mockery of it that’s fine by me I just thought you guys would be interested to hear what they were saying over there but I guess I was wrong.
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most of us are of this opinion but like I say if you like to spend money on boutique oils and they make your truck sound better who am I to say that they are a waste of money? if everyone bought the same thing life would be boring!
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Most of us? Seems to me that the most active people who comment on the Synthetic Oil thread don’t really consider products like Amsoil Signature Series, Redline performance 5W20 or 30 or anything else like that as a boutique oil.
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Corn, Too many folks hear have posted good results with redline and other oils that quited the hemi tick For it not to be true.
I’ve always leaned towards QC control for the lifter camshaft issue. The hemi tick has been around since 2003, the first year they reintroduced. Some of those engines ticked there way to over 200000 miles. I’m not convinced the tick automatically implies a daily lifter lifter and camshaft issue.
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I’m sure you mean quieted but yeah, I know but you know how people are, when they believe something, they defend it.
I myself am still learning about all this so I don’t know enough to have a solid opinion but I will say it is awful strange that if the Hemi tick occurs once the bearings in the lifter rollers start to seize thus resulting in locking up and grinding away at the rollers and the cam that how can any oil no matter how good it is, reverse mechanical damage or is what you guys say is happening when you say you “reverse” it is by cleaning any kind of stiction that may be binding the rollers?
I dunno, man.
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It's called "confirmation bias" by psychologists. You might as well have been @ BITOG.
I participate in technical forums for technical discussions - not golden calf worship. Assuming guys aren't so far gone as to lie about their technical experiences - in this case Red Line eliminating valve ticks in 80% of cases, it's difficult for me to explain that away. The sample size was getting large enough last I recall to be useful for anyone to replicate. I only fanboy when something actually works.
We KNOW the end failure is a wiped cam from rotated lifter and seized roller. It's pretty clear ain't nothing gonna 'fix' that except a rebuild or new motor. So the real question is how fast that failure occurs - from 1st tick to wipe out. There is some hours of run time where extra lubrication help is futile when you're machining lobes off. Nobody knows what that is without testing for it. Stellantis / FCA / Chrysler / Daimler ain't gonna say jack $hit.
Without that knowledge, I decided to switch to Redline BEFORE I hear a lifter ticking. This approach means I've done all I can do to keep my particular engine from failure, if it's possible. My 1st Hemi started ticking @ 50,000 miles or so, and it was plain to hear as could be. I switched oil immediately - and it stopped immediately.
I participate in technical forums for technical discussions - not golden calf worship. Assuming guys aren't so far gone as to lie about their technical experiences - in this case Red Line eliminating valve ticks in 80% of cases, it's difficult for me to explain that away. The sample size was getting large enough last I recall to be useful for anyone to replicate. I only fanboy when something actually works.
We KNOW the end failure is a wiped cam from rotated lifter and seized roller. It's pretty clear ain't nothing gonna 'fix' that except a rebuild or new motor. So the real question is how fast that failure occurs - from 1st tick to wipe out. There is some hours of run time where extra lubrication help is futile when you're machining lobes off. Nobody knows what that is without testing for it. Stellantis / FCA / Chrysler / Daimler ain't gonna say jack $hit.
Without that knowledge, I decided to switch to Redline BEFORE I hear a lifter ticking. This approach means I've done all I can do to keep my particular engine from failure, if it's possible. My 1st Hemi started ticking @ 50,000 miles or so, and it was plain to hear as could be. I switched oil immediately - and it stopped immediately.
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The hemi tick is a really twilight zone,no one knows when the engine gonna fail, at 70.000 or 170.000,or never,one thing I have learn about the hemi,every single engine got to be the same right? But they are not,guys change the oil way to soon, and the filters and still,the engine failed, on the other hand,guys don't give a **** and do the interval pass due and surprisingly the just keep going well after 180000,so there is no really a solid formula,solid cure,everyone develop his own strategy and hope it may help.
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Theres lots of great info on that forum but unfortunately if you ask questions there 90 percent of them just ridicule you and highjack the threads and it either turns into a thick vs thin debate or everyone says just run the manufacture spec oil from a major manufacturer
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Yeah, I think you mighta seen my discussion over there…lol.
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