The Best Arguement for Great Tires

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Not too many words needed. The pictures pretty much tell the story. These were taken at 2:30 in the afternoon. Snowed and rained at 2 in the morning, still no sanding trucks and these are main roads in the County.

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Tires are one of the last places to cheap out IMHO.
Agreed. The Michellin Ice Radials, which are dedicated winter tires, not All Seasons, definitely earned their price of admission today. I feel way better having these on my wife's Grand Cherokee than trying to save a couple of bucks and use all seasons.

You can immediately see the difference when you go to stop. You do have to watch that the guy behind you isn't too close. They are also a whole bunch stickier on off camber corners and the colder it gets the more you can see the difference.
 

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Agreed. The Michellin Ice Radials which are dedicated winter tires, not All Seasons, definitely earned their price of admission today. I feel way better having these on my wife's Grand Cherokee than trying to save a couple of bucks and use all seasons. You can immediately see the difference when you go to stop. You do have to watch that the guy behind you isn't too close. They are also a whole bunch stickier on off camber corners and the colder it gets the more you can see the difference.
Same reason I bought Blizzaks for the wife's Durango, firmly planted in snow like the pavement is dry.
 

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The pictures pretty much tell the story.
I'm glad you're happy, and agree that the right tire for the circumstances makes a world of difference, but those pics don't tell me anything. Coulda been a Ferrari with slicks, sliding down the road...
 
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I'm glad you're happy, and agree that the right tire for the circumstances makes a world of difference, but those pics don't tell me anything. Coulda been a Ferrari with slicks, sliding down the road...
The pictures show a really slick road and I am still on it. You will have to take my word for what I was driving and what tires I was using. The Ferrari has been on the lift for over a month. It would have never made it out of the driveway with this ice. It does not go out in this weather ever. That is what the Carrera 4's job is.
 

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The pictures show a really slick road and I am still on it. You will have to take my word for what I was driving and what tires I was using. The Ferrari has been on the lift for over a month. It would have never made it out of the driveway with this ice. It does not go out in this weather ever. That is what the Carrera 4's job is.
Along with well maintained ride, and tires for the task, helps if U drive to conditions also. TOO many PPL have the mindset: I's got 4 WD, I can go anywhere, anytime, any speed, and does not matter.
 
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Along with well maintained ride, and tires for the task, helps if U drive to conditions also. TOO many PPL have the mindset: I's got 4 WD, I can go anywhere, anytime, any speed, and does not matter.
Saw more than a few of those in the ditches today. Lots of cars, especially EVs for some reason and given they are relatively rare in these parts the number in the ditch kind of stood out. That said, there were also lots of 4x4 SUV types too, but they also comprise about 50 percent of the local fleet. I would be interested to know what it is about EVs that makes them so prone to falling off the road on ice.
 

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Torque to the wheel is there biggest enemy and being low to the ground, add you need winter tires for that EV at $500 a tire.
 

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The torque issue makes sense. Low to ground wouldn't have been an issue today, we had less than a 1/4 inch of snow, just REALLY slick ice.
On an EV, with the electric motors, is this kinda like a 4 AWD setup? (Asking as I do not know). Or is there just torque to a drive wheel? One would think with an AWD setup, if U had good shoes, U should be OK, as much as those EV's weigh. But instant full torque on a wheel is definitely not what works. Maybe they need to have a geared setup like 4 LO to assist in those situations. Just thinking out loud, and why I am always happy I got my lowly Bighorn in the driveway. Because, what we mostly get here is ice, not snow. (Helps I have Falkens AT3W's on also, but I am also reticent and I understand capabilities and conditions).
 
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Like everything else, you have to follow the latest news, even top tire companies can stumble. Tires, anything but cooper for 2024.
 

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Too icee to carve properly on my board.

All I have to deal with is black Asphalt in 100 degree August days down here in JawJa.
 

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EV 4WD typically have a motor on each axel and usually, usually, have sophisticated torque vectoring. I can’t speak to others but the Tesla Y goes great in the snow. You will see a lot in the ditch because they are very heavy, lot of mass to stop in low friction environment. and of course 4WD can’t help you there. They go so well I think people assume they can stop so well too but this is not reality.
 

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If you have a lot of snow and especially ice to deal with, studded snow tires on all four corners make a big difference. I used them in Colorado when working in the woods. Make sure they are legal. You have to take them off in summer.
 
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