2023 classic 1500 headlight bulbs suggestion?

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These lights are halogen projectors. If you have a Warlock, yours will be the same. I tried a set of aftermarket LED bulbs, the same ones I had in my 3500 that were great. They were absolute garbage in the projectors and brighter than the sun in the high beams. Although they looked real good, they produced no actual driving light. Couldn’t see chit at night. The high beams can burn the retinas off a deer 3kms away, lighting up the entire road in between.

My projectors now have a set of bright halogens from Canadian Tire that work good. Considering the pain in the ass it is to remove and install the casings repeatedly, I am done with this game. When they burn out, the stock bulbs can go back in and I have the 2nd set of LED bulbs to go in the high beams if they ever die.IMG_3888.jpeg
 

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I recently installed Fahren LED lights in my '21 Classic. They were completely plug n play with no configuration changes required.

I should also mention that I think they're fantastic and tough to beat for the price. I chose these lights because of the success stories that I have read hear on Ram Forum.

The high beam lights are spectacular and cast a bright light far down the highway, black & white compared to halogen.

The low beam lights are far brighter than the halogen but don't seem to be quite as bright as the high beam lights with a lower beam angle.

The road is still lit enough enough that I can drive on rural highways while wearing yellow lenses and not overdrive the lights on low beam with the addition of driving lights. (Ram calls them LED fog lights but they're white driving lights).

I have observed no flickering or other undesirable effects . The lights fit inside the housings with the covers on.

My truck has Premium Projectors and uses 4x 9005 bulbs for both the low & high beam.





I had originally purchased the wrong bulbs, thinking that I had the basic Projectors which for my truck is 2 H11s for low and 2 9005s for high beams.



If you use this link and just below the center of the Amazon page, select the 9005 option, you will see the bulbs are rated at 10,000 lumens each instead of the upper Amazon link where they're 9000 lumen per bulb.

Amazon.com lists the 10,000 lumens version of the 9005 bulb but .ca has it somewhat hidden.

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I’m in the same boat, 20 Bighorn with weak halogen bulbs, did you have to change anything other than the bulbs? Did you do the fogs as well?

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I’m in the same boat, 20 Bighorn with weak halogen bulbs, did you have to change anything other than the bulbs? Did you do the fogs as well?

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I only changed the high and low beam bulbs in the projector housings and no issues.

My OEM fog lights, which are truly driving lights were already LED.

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You're welcome to your opinion but I don't agree with this statement.

AFAIK, light output from any source is usually measured in lumen and that is the only accurate method of comparison between different bulbs or light sources.

What the salespeople leave out, is that beam angle, colour temperature, and reflectivity of the destination are just as important parameters to consider.

Whereas lux is the resultant illumination of the surface or destination at a specific distance and is based on all the above.

If we were to use lux to qualify different bulbs, it would be necessary to perform a myriad of qualifications on the value, such as beam angle, colour temperature, and a specific distance to the destination, from the light source, etc.

It would be necessary to qualify that the resultant lux from 'the said bulb' will be X based on a specific reflector or projector housing because each housing will have a different result.

I do agree that marketing does not provide sufficient details and will always make an effort to distort and manipulate the facts to make their product appear better than another.






I do agree that subjectively, we're not too likely to see much difference between 9,000 & 10,000 lumen and that the higher output is a newer release of the product but...

As you mentioned, there are 2 bulbs. So, now the increase is 2000 lumen, and even though the resultant lux will not be much more, it is still more.

If the cost is almost identical and it is an updated version, why would I choose the older model with less light output?






Light output is usually measured in lumens, and lux is the result at the surface or destination, at a specific distance.

The following article has a clear definition of the difference between lumen and lux.



These are a couple of quotes from the above link.

The difference between lux and lumens by definition​


The core difference can be summarized as follows:
  • Lux is a measure of illuminance, the total amount of light that falls on a surface
  • Lumens is a measure of luminous flux, the total amount of light emitted in all directions.



Lux is a measure of how much light falls on a particular surface and can be the result of multiple light bulbs and even daylight mixed in.

On the other hand, lumens is important for knowing how much light a single light source emits. This is useful for comparing the total amount of light a bulb emits, but depending on its light distribution and space size, whether it is "enough" for a space or task cannot necessarily be determined.

YMMV :cool:

. Well, you may say that I'm welcome to my opinion. The only problem with that statement is the fact that it's not just an opinion, but it was actually a fact. Using lumens to measure the output of light for a vehicle is pointless. And your whole theory of everything being measured with lumens is actually incorrect. Technically it's not incorrect. It is used but it's used wrongly. It is used as a marketing gimmick only. Actual light output to actually be useful for us can only be measured with locks. Lumens is pointless and your definition that you posted explains that perfectly. Lumens only measures the amount of light directed in all directions which is no good to us. We need the amount of light that hits a surface. The surface directly in front of us doesn't matter about the light that goes up into the sky or over into the bush where you don't need it. You only need directly in front and slightly off to each side. So I'll hold true to the statement that using lumens for measurement is pointless. It is strictly a marketing gimmick. Most of these companies do not have the proper tools to measure the actual locks because of the fact that that is actually going to be slightly different in every headlight housing that the lights are inserted in. Where is lumens can be blindly stated because they're just grasping the measurement at a 3-ft or a 10 ft distance directly emitted off the bulb. It does not take into account the headlight housing. I have retrofitted headlights and multiple vehicles for approximately the last 12 years less now as I don't really have the time for it. Just my own personal vehicle. I'll stick to the facts that I gather from the multiple headlight retrofit companies that I source parts from. One in particular, that is probably the most well-known and provides the majority of my supplies, the retrofit source aka the TRS store. If you want to find some actual valid facts on measuring light output, there's a good starting source.
 

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These lights are halogen projectors. If you have a Warlock, yours will be the same. I tried a set of aftermarket LED bulbs, the same ones I had in my 3500 that were great. They were absolute garbage in the projectors and brighter than the sun in the high beams. Although they looked real good, they produced no actual driving light. Couldn’t see chit at night. The high beams can burn the retinas off a deer 3kms away, lighting up the entire road in between.

My projectors now have a set of bright halogens from Canadian Tire that work good. Considering the pain in the ass it is to remove and install the casings repeatedly, I am done with this game. When they burn out, the stock bulbs can go back in and I have the 2nd set of LED bulbs to go in the high beams if they ever die.View attachment 534447
Are you sure your LED lights were clocked properly in your projector housing? Your projector housings are designed for a halogen bulb, not a HID, and you can tell this because of the fact that it uses a 9005 not a DS series bulb (d1s, d2s..) or an H1 , therefore, an LED bulb which is designed to work in halogen housings typically works very well in the halogen projectors.
I have done LED conversions in four different warlocks at work that belong to my co-workers, and every one of those has amazing light output, especially compared to stock or aftermarket halogen bulbs.
 

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Thanks for the clarification and thanks for rescuing me from the Ram scam.

I wasn't certain which headlights my truck used; my only information source was the user manual.

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Yeah there's nothing actually premium about the projector itself. If anything in the projector world it's far from premium considering it's actually a halogen projector, not a HID projector. That's just ram differentiating between base and premium headlights on the trucks. They really should have put a comma between base and headlight and premium and projector. Lol
 

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Are you sure your LED lights were clocked properly in your projector housing?
90% positive that they were. But spending a day removing everything and reinstalling to try different adjustments of the led, just to do it again and again, then waiting until night to drive out into the country… nah.

They looked good on the neighbourhood streets and aligned against the fence, the actual light output was dismal. Swapping out the housings would be a better plan but I don’t feel like spending to money to do it.

The halogens I have in there now are better than the stock output.
 

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These lights are halogen projectors. If you have a Warlock, yours will be the same. I tried a set of aftermarket LED bulbs, the same ones I had in my 3500 that were great. They were absolute garbage in the projectors and brighter than the sun in the high beams. Although they looked real good, they produced no actual driving light. Couldn’t see chit at night. The high beams can burn the retinas off a deer 3kms away, lighting up the entire road in between.

My projectors now have a set of bright halogens from Canadian Tire that work good. Considering the pain in the ass it is to remove and install the casings repeatedly, I am done with this game. When they burn out, the stock bulbs can go back in and I have the 2nd set of LED bulbs to go in the high beams if they ever die.


So, just to clarify your statements, are you suggesting that you're dissatisfied with the LED bulbs when used in the low beam position of the projector housings but satisfied when the same LED bulb is used in the high beam position?

AFAIC, the low beam position appears to be much less functional than the high beam position. I think we're in agreement with that.

The low beam lens on the projector housings on my truck appears to attenuate the light signal far more than the high position resulting in less visibility.

That said, from my point of view, the LED bulbs I have when used in the low beam position are still remarkably brighter than the halogen were.

They're still new to me but last night while driving home on a rural highway, on a couple of occasions I did find that cruising down the road at 94 kph with only the low beams and driving lights, I was definitely not overdriving the lights.

While driving in the same environment with the OEM halogen lights, the low beam lights sucked and in all honesty, 94 kph was too fast with the amount of visibility I could see.

What make and model of LED bulbs have you tried?

I'm also curious to know which halogen bulbs from CTC that you like better than the OEM and believe to be brighter.

Are these aftermarket halogen bulbs better in both the low & high beam position?

I agree on the PITA factor of bulb changes. I don't plan to engage in that process too often.

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So, just to clarify your statements, are you suggesting that you're dissatisfied with the LED bulbs when used in the low beam position of the projector housings but satisfied when the same LED bulb is used in the high beam position?

AFAIC, the low beam position appears to be much less functional than the high beam position. I think we're in agreement with that.

The low beam lens on the projector housings on my truck appears to attenuate the light signal far more than the high position resulting in less visibility.

That said, from my point of view, the LED bulbs I have when used in the low beam position are still remarkably brighter than the halogen were.

They're still new to me but last night while driving home on a rural highway, on a couple of occasions I did find that cruising down the road at 94 kph with only the low beams and driving lights, I was definitely not overdriving the lights.

While driving in the same environment with the OEM halogen lights, the low beam lights sucked and in all honesty, 94 kph was too fast with the amount of visibility I could see.

What make and model of LED bulbs have you tried?
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Makes me happy I got stock OEM LED (reflector housing) on MY 19 DT truck. But if U ever have to replace, OMG........
 

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Makes me happy I got stock OEM LED (reflector housing) on MY 19 DT truck. But if U ever have to replace, OMG........

Yes, the projector housings are a serious PITA.

Are you able to replace the individual bulbs or would you have to sell a body part to pay some insane price for the entire reflector housing assembly?

Are the LED tail light assemblies something crazy like $1200 US each and non-servicable by the user?

The Canadastan price would be much worse.

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Yes, the projector housings are a serious PITA.

Are you able to replace the individual bulbs or would you have to sell a body part to pay some insane price for the entire reflector housing assembly?

Are the LED tail light assemblies something crazy like $1200 US each and non-servicable by the user?

The Canadastan price would be much worse.

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@RamDiver Sent U PM.

For the forum folks: On midline reflector front headlight (LED OEM) lighting, and the rear LED lighting, the units are not user serviceable. If U encounter an issue, you have to replace entire assembly. On rear tail light assemblies, when I replaced my R/R in 2019 (under warranty), they units were dealer priced $538.00.
 

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I agree that the OEM lights are dim. I only upgraded to Silverstar Ultra 9005, H11, and Longlife 4157NA. A few spare grill clips are good to have on hand also. The high beams are great but not the lows. I will move to the bulbs RamDiver suggested.
 

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So, just to clarify your statements, are you suggesting that you're dissatisfied with the LED bulbs when used in the low beam position of the projector housings but satisfied when the same LED bulb is used in the high beam position?
Yes.

These are the LEDs that I used in my 2019 3500 tradesmen (H11 version) with great success. I also have them in my high beams of my current 1500 Warlock. The Silversucks ultra are in the low beam. I bought the Ultra while I was on a road trip, after driving through a rainstorm at night and not being able to see a damn thing, even road lines. Not the first time I’ve done work to a vehicle in the Canadian tire parking lot… probably won’t be the last either. The LEDs came out and went into the ultra package, where they reside to this day. I have not tried any other brand of LED bulb. I don’t feel that I will achieve good results with the OEM projectors without spending a lot of time and money, and a lot of trial and error.

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Yes.

These are the LEDs that I used in my 2019 3500 tradesmen (H11 version) with great success. I also have them in my high beams of my current 1500 Warlock. The Silversucks ultra are in the low beam. I bought the Ultra while I was on a road trip, after driving through a rainstorm at night and not being able to see a damn thing, even road lines. Not the first time I’ve done work to a vehicle in the Canadian tire parking lot… probably won’t be the last either. The LEDs came out and went into the ultra package, where they reside to this day. I have not tried any other brand of LED bulb. I don’t feel that I will achieve good results with the OEM projectors without spending a lot of time and money, and a lot of trial and error.


That's interesting, thanks for the report.

I do find the same Fahren LED bulb doesn't seem as bright in the low beam but it's still miles ahead of the OEM halogen bulb on my truck.

I've used those crappy Sylvania lights in my Tundra and hated them. They were near useless in my Tundra, I'm surprised you find them superior to those LED bulbs.

Or more so, that you find the LEDs inferior. That just demonstrates how finicky these carzy projectors can be.

I've read only positive reviews of this particular Fahren bulb when used in Ram trucks and why I chose to try them out.

I procrastinated trying any aftermarket LED lights because I didn't want the grief of playing musical bulbs.
They are a big PITA to install.

One of my low beam bulbs could use a bit of fine tuning and then might be a bit more capable but I'm waiting to see if Fahren will be sending me the more powerful bulbs so I don't have to disassemble the housings twice.

:cool:

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Last month I decided to upgrade my 2016 Express halogen headlight and fog light bulbs due to the age and miles.
My nephew recommend Fahren leds from his previous experience with them, plus the recommendations from Ram forum users about Fahren leds persuaded me to buy them.
The main reason for buying the Fahren leds is that they are canbus compatible, no flicking or cutting off during use.
I purchased the H10 (9006) fog light, H11 low beam and 9005 high beam bulbs for $123.00 total from Amazon.
The installation went good and the only led bulbs that needed adjustment were the 9005 high beam.
The low beam and fog light bulbs fit right in and locked in place just like the original halogen bulbs.
I am amazed at how bright, clear and how well they are aimed, no flashing at all from other drivers.
And yes, I fully agree that the headlight housings are a pain in the ass to remove.
 

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Make it easy on yourself and go to headlightsrevolution.com They have usually tested and have videos of the installation of many upgrades and comparisons of most led head lights for ram trucks.
 

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Make it easy on yourself and go to headlightsrevolution.com They have usually tested and have videos of the installation of many upgrades and comparisons of most led head lights for ram trucks.

Or, you can just search, read and ask questions to other truck owners at Ram Forum.

That's how I found a great model of LED lights for my truck . :cool:

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Hi guys,

Looking to get brighter lights to replace my halogen bulbs on my new 2023 Ram classic.

Looking for some suggestion for bulbs in led or halogen. Not looking to replace housing yet. As my fiancé would not be happy as we have a wedding to save for ;)

However I want brighter lights comparable to like her Cherokee has with the led package.

Any suggestion welcome.
Check out a company called "Headlight Revolution" online. I have purchased quite a few sets of headlight bulbs and signal and marker bulbs from them. They research and test everything they sell. I'm pretty sure they would have LED bulbs that would work for your truck. Lots of videos for Ram applications.
 
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Been a lot of great additional information,
I was a little to quick to buy I purchased the high beams bulb instead of the low beam week they’re were on sales before the holidays didn’t realize until they arrived.

So I’m waiting for another Amazon sales to grab the low beams so I can swap both out once it not crap weather or cold out to avoid snapping this clips in the grill areas
 

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Been a lot of great additional information,
I was a little to quick to buy I purchased the high beams bulb instead of the low beam week they’re were on sales before the holidays didn’t realize until they arrived.

So I’m waiting for another Amazon sales to grab the low beams so I can swap both out once it not crap weather or cold out to avoid snapping this clips in the grill areas


Hopefully, the weather continues with the mild temperatures so we can work on our vehicles outside, without freezing. :cool:

I noticed this morning that the 9005 bulb in the 10K lumen output is no longer available from Amazon.ca in the 2-pak.

There shouldn't be too much difference between the 9K lumen (that is listed on Amazon.ca) and the 10K lumen (that is listed on Amazon.com) but it does annoy me that we don't have access to the latest and greatest because we're North of the 49th parallel.

I have been exchanging numerous emails with Fahren concerning the availability in Canada of the 9005 in the 10K lumen output. It would seem that their translation software is marginal but we're finally on the same page.

Fahren has agreed to send me a set of the 10K lumen bulbs in the low-profile package.
I'll update when they arrive and hopefully will see a bit of improvement over the 9K lumen I currently have in the low beam position.

So far, I'm very impressed with the customer service from Fahren. It required a few emails to help them understand what I wanted but they've been easy to deal with.

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